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Posted on 11/15/15 at 6:08 pm to GAFF
no offense, but a group of people w/ automatic weapons is not going to be thwarted by a guy with a glock.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 6:11 pm to CP3
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If someone shoots me trying to shoot an attacker, that's better than me being shot while hiding in a corner. Sure, not every instance would be clear on who the attacker is, but if 4 masked Islamist walk in a mall and start shooting it's probably pretty clear who the bad guys are.
Yeah, but those situations are few and far between in America. Usually they look like any average guy. Then it's chaos and the innocents kill the innocents much more effectively than the initial shooter ever could. Now there are multiple lines of fire from different directions instead of a single direction. That would really errupt any shooting into an even bigger frenzy when people have no clue on where to flee.
Please think through a concert with 500 people, 10 guys come in, and 50 are concealed carrying. Bullets going everywhere and coming from all directions. No one having a clue where to flee. People would run in circles, get shot, as well as the heroes with guns who try to stop it. It would not be a win that anyone is trained for.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 6:15 pm to GAFF
One of Tom Clancys books had a scene where terrorists shot up a shopping mall. That's the thing that scares me. Imagine a bunch of incidents on Black Friday.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 6:26 pm to The First Cut
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Isis wouldn't pull this stunt in a state with a large population of concealed carriers. They'd do it in DC.
Fixed.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 6:26 pm to OMLandshark
So your opinion is that being a sitting duck is the better option in a situation where everyone is being shot at anyway? Again, is it ideal for every situation? No.
But it's still better than waiting to be executed
But it's still better than waiting to be executed
This post was edited on 11/15/15 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 11/15/15 at 6:27 pm to GAFF
What, exactly, are people who concealed carry going to do after the suicide bombers blow up?
Posted on 11/15/15 at 6:30 pm to BiggerBear
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What, exactly, are people who concealed carry going to do after the suicide bombers blow up?
I don't think anyone was arguing this would stop a suicide bomber...
We are talking mass shooting
Posted on 11/15/15 at 6:31 pm to CP3
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So your of the opinion that being a sitting duck is the better option in a situation where everyone is being shot at anyway? Again, is it ideal for every situation? No.
You're not thinking the situation through. The lines of fire is a hell of a point. If there's one shooter in a dark theater and you add 7 concealed carriers, then you go from 1 to 8 lines of fire coming from all directions. My odds of making it to an exit are much higher with a single line of fire than 8. This is a point you refuse to address.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 6:31 pm to HMTVBrian2
8 or 12 men with auto ak47s, body armor, suicide vests, bombs, and grenades would do the same in anytown, usa.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 6:34 pm to GAFF
I always thought people exiting from a sports event were easy targets. Like the Superdome if a car stopped on the I-10 near the dome got out and unloaded a few Magazines into the crowd, there would be a high death toll.
Though in America I would expect the potential victims to fight back. Plus our police carry guns and we usually have a lot of police at events.
I think our intelligence is better than most in Europe, and I have faith that our government can stop most attacks
Though in America I would expect the potential victims to fight back. Plus our police carry guns and we usually have a lot of police at events.
I think our intelligence is better than most in Europe, and I have faith that our government can stop most attacks
Posted on 11/15/15 at 6:35 pm to CP3
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I don't think anyone was arguing this would stop a suicide bomber...
We are talking mass shooting
It's really the same thing since they're on a suicide mission. It's not like most mass shooters plan on shooting up a place and then watching 60 Minutes later that evening. They know they're going to die.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 6:38 pm to OMLandshark
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t's really the same thing since they're on a suicide mission.
Not really? In one case it's walk in and "boom". The threat is over.
With the case of gunmen there is the chance, which I'll acknowledge is slim, that the threat can be at least somewhat deterred before they finish their attack.
And the lines of fire is a valid point. I've said multiple times it is not ideal for every situation.
This post was edited on 11/15/15 at 6:40 pm
Posted on 11/15/15 at 7:05 pm to OMLandshark
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If there's one shooter in a dark theate
What if it's not a theater? What if it's a mall with several points of egress? A park? As CP3 said every situation is different. I still side with at least trying to get a few rounds off. If not at first then after you reach cover.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 7:12 pm to GAFF
The outcome would entail big, militarized vehicles, curfews, being on lock down if you were in an affected area. However, as pitiful as it sounds, a terroristic attack on US soil would unify us all and the whole racism card would become nothing more than memory. We Americans have a way about us that brings us together under tragedy.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 7:14 pm to Sampson
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dc ab hypotheticals I'm more concerned with the racism thats actually happening in this country
Posted on 11/15/15 at 7:14 pm to elprez00
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That's the thing that scares me.
That's the whole point of terrorism. It's the cowards way around a militant attack.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 7:18 pm to GAFF
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What if it's not a theater? What if it's a mall with several points of egress? A park? As CP3 said every situation is different. I still side with at least trying to get a few rounds off. If not at first then after you reach cover.
Well, that changes the situation. I'm not against concealed carrying, but in instances like the one in Paris, I feel pretty safe in assuming that wouldn't improve the situation and only make it worse. When you're in a very open and well lit space, then yeah, it makes it much less likely someone will mistakenly shoot you for the actual perpetrator. I'm not against it in all circumstances, but in highly crowded and dimly lit situations, then I think it makes the situation worse.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 7:21 pm to kingbob
I carry half of the time, and I wouldn't do a God damn thing to help anyone else if I was with my family when SHTF. You baws are on your own. Hell, I'd shoot yall if it meant keeping them safe.
If I'm by myself and don't have to worry about them, yeah I'd throw my two cents in. Don't have any problem helping out then. I'd imagine the majority of other people feel the same way
If I'm by myself and don't have to worry about them, yeah I'd throw my two cents in. Don't have any problem helping out then. I'd imagine the majority of other people feel the same way
Posted on 11/15/15 at 7:24 pm to Zappas Stache
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Redneck Crossfire.
Good name for a band.
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