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re: What happened to Jordan Jefferson over the course of his career
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:21 pm to Salviati
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:21 pm to Salviati
quote:
They were both ranked #3 in 2011
so what? They were different teams and in completely different circumstances. And again, picking and choosing small data points will lead to unreliable conclusions and confirmation bias. Seriously, why do you refuse to take both players ENTIRE body of work for the entire season?
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Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:22 pm to chilge1
quote:
UGA
42-10
42.
But in truth, the offense only scored 28 points.
So:
quote:
UGA
28-10
28.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:24 pm to lsufball19
quote:Oh? Oh really?!?!quote:Totals:
Kentucky
JL -121.5 QB Rat 8/21 169 Yds 1 TD
JJ - N/A 0/0 0 YDs
Florida
JL - 232.4 QB Rat 7/10 154 Yds 1 TD
JJ - 285.6 QB Rat 3/4 61 Yds 1 TD
Tennessee
JL - 202.9 QB Rat 13/17 138 YDs 3 TDs
JJ - 55.7 QB Rat 1/3 8 YDs
Auburn
JL - 172.3 QB Rat 14/20 165 Yds 2 TDs
JJ - 327.9 QB Rat 2/3 54 YDs 1 TDs
Alabama
JL - 14.5 QB Rat 3/7 24 Yds 2 INTs
JJ - 116.3 QB Rat 6/10 67 Yds
Jarrett Lee: 45/75 650 yards 7 TDs 2 INTs
Jordan Jefferson: 12/20 190 Yds 2 TDs
Jordan Jefferson very clearly lacks the requisite number of data points to make a reliable comparison. I swear the term statistical variance doesn't mean anything to you two.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:26 pm to Salviati
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First, Lee had pass attempt in six games in 2009
he threw a single pass in 3 of those. he threw 40 on the season. He had 269 attempts in 2008. He did not have enough data in 2009 to make a reliable statistical comparison. again, that's elementary statistics
quote:
Second, I don't use just three games for Jefferson in 2011. It just so happens that ALL three of Jefferson's starts were better offensive outputs than ALL nine of Lee's starts.
so you use three games. glad we're on the same page
quote:
I used ALL of his regular season STATS not just his regular season STARTS. It just so happens that ALL three of Jefferson's starts were better offensive outputs than ALL nine of Lee's starts.
well we played 14 games in 2011, so let's just use all of them. ok? thanks
quote:
Lee started against the WORST team LSU faced in 2011. Lee started against 4 of the 5 WORST teams that LSU faced in 2011.
define worst
quote:
The THREE best offensive outputs of the 2011 season were the THREE games that Jefferson started. Lee started against crappier teams. Why didn't Lee have any of three best games?
define best. define crappier.
This post was edited on 7/31/15 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:27 pm to tlsu15
quote:
Both of those guys have moved on with their lives. I think it's time we all do too. We are only a month away from the 2015 season!
Good luck with that!
Two mediocre, on their career, QBs and they get more action here than the guy who came after them and who is still playing in the NFL.
The butt hurt remaining 4 seasons later is both amusing and amazing!
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:28 pm to Salviati
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frick you.... that was exhausting.
quote:
he attempts to discredit the poster
QED
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:29 pm to Salviati
quote:
Oh? Oh really?!?!
you think 20 total passes in 5 games is enough passes to make a reliable conclusion as to his quality of play? I guess you do because you think comparing a season of 40 passes to one of 269 passes is a fair comparison. Like I said, it's very easy to use statistics to "win" any argument, if you use them the right way. But as most sensible know, statistics can be very misleading. You had an entire argument about how ESPN's QBR isn't reliable, yet here you are doing the same thing, making your own rules as to what stats and what games should be applied to come up with your own conclusions
This post was edited on 7/31/15 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:31 pm to Salviati
quote:
But in truth, the offense only scored 28 points.
So:
quote:
UGA
28-10
28.
Jefferson had 25 yards in that game
25
Good job by the running backs to pick up their QB who was playing like crap
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:35 pm to lsufball19
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Good job by the running backs to pick up their QB who was playing like crap
From page 17...
quote:
Against Oregon, Jarrett Lee completed fewer than 50% of his passes for fewer than 100 yards. Our offense managed just 10 points in the first half, but took the lead due to great defense and a fumble recovery on a punt return from Tyrann Mathieu.
Jarrett Lee halftime stats:
7/14 54 1 TD
In the second half, Sam Montgomery forced a fumble which Eric Reid recovered at the 21, and De'Anthony Thomas fumbled another kickoff, giving LSU the ball at the 41. Both turnovers resulted in touchdowns.
Additionally, Michael Ford and Spencer Ware combined for 27 car 128 yards and 3 TDs in the second half.
Explain to me how this was any different than the SECCG....
We are literally going in circles at this point.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:36 pm to lsufball19
quote:quote:so what? They were different teams and in completely different circumstances. And again, picking and choosing small data points will lead to unreliable conclusions and confirmation bias. Seriously, why do you refuse to take both players ENTIRE body of work for the entire season?
They were both ranked #3 in 2011
Player . . . . . . .Rushes . . . . Net . . . . TDs . . Rating . . . Comp % . . . . Yards . . . . Ints . . . TDs
Jefferson . . . . . . 359 . . . . 1018 . . . . 12 . . . 127.84 . . . 58.55% . . . . 4733 . . . . . 20 . . . . 34
Lee . . . . . . . . . . . 30 . . . . . .-181 . . . . . 0 . . . 126.07 . . . 56.11% . . . . 3949 . . . . . .21 . . . . 32
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:40 pm to Salviati
quote:
but I will continue to present the facts.
you will continue to present facts in a misleading light. no one has really tried to argue your stats are incorrect, just that they are inappropriately applied and gerrymandered to support your own inherent bias. it's fine. you accuse people of inherent bias against jefferson because they hate him as a person. ok. well, you pick and choose how to apply statistical data to prove your bias that jefferson was better than lee. one can just as easily take different, factual, statistical data for like and apply it to "prove" he was better. you're not teaching anyone anything. you're really doing nothing more than showing your own arrogance
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:41 pm to lsufball19
quote:Lee had fewer stats in 2009 than in 2008. His stats were worse in 2009 than in 2008.quote:he threw a single pass in 3 of those. he threw 40 on the season. He had 269 attempts in 2008. He did not have enough data in 2009 to make a reliable statistical comparison. again, that's elementary statistics
First, Lee had pass attempt in six games in 2009
quote:Reading is fundamental.quote:so you use three games. glad we're on the same page
Second, I don't use just three games for Jefferson in 2011. I
quote:In this particular case, I am using defensive ranking of the opponent to define "worst."quote:define worst
Lee started against the WORST team LSU faced in 2011. Lee started against 4 of the 5 WORST teams that LSU faced in 2011.
quote:In this particular case, I define "best" by reference to the total yards gained by the offense.quote:define best. define crappier.
The THREE best offensive outputs of the 2011 season were the THREE games that Jefferson started. Lee started against crappier teams. Why didn't Lee have any of three best games?
I define "crappier" in same manner in which I defined "worst" above.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:41 pm to Salviati
quote:
Player . . . . . . .Rushes . . . . Net . . . . TDs . . Rating . . . Comp % . . . . Yards . . . . Ints . . . TDs
Jefferson . . . . . . 359 . . . . 1018 . . . . 12 . . . 127.84 . . . 58.55% . . . . 4733 . . . . . 20 . . . . 34
Lee . . . . . . . . . . . 30 . . . . . .-181 . . . . . 0 . . . 126.07 . . . 56.11% . . . . 3949 . . . . . .21 . . . . 32
yes, Jefferson was a better runner than Lee. So what?
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:42 pm to Lonnie4LSU
quote:Amen!!
Good luck with that!
Two mediocre, on their career, QBs and they get more action here than the guy who came after them and who is still playing in the NFL.
The butt hurt remaining 4 seasons later is both amusing and amazing!
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:42 pm to lsufball19
quote:
statistics can be very misleading
figures don't lie ... liars figure.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:42 pm to chilge1
quote:
Jarrett Lee halftime stats:
7/14 54 1 TD
so better than Jefferson's full game stats against UGA?
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:44 pm to Salviati
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His stats were worse in 2009 than in 2008.
and the reliability of that conclusion, based on the absence of enough data, is very low
quote:
Reading is fundamental.
so three games? great
quote:
In this particular case, I am using defensive ranking of the opponent to define "worst."
why did you use that? why do you feel that's an iron clad ranking of best to worst?
This post was edited on 7/31/15 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:44 pm to Salviati
quote:
He attempts to discredit the poster who brings the facts
You don't need my help there, chief... you're doing a great job on your own.
This thread can be summed up, minus your useless drivel, that LSU had two QBs at the same time that had mediocre careers, each helped to win games, Jefferson helped win the GOTC, and helped lose the rematch.
And quit with the stupid charts.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:45 pm to lsufball19
quote:
so better than Jefferson's full game stats against UGA?
Your point being....? He still completed fewer than half of his passes for fewer than 100 yards, relying on the defense and running backs to win the game.
You really want to sit here and argue that 10/22 for 98 yards and a TD is significantly different than 5/13 for 30 yards and a TD?
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:47 pm to chilge1
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Your point being....? He still completed fewer than half of his passes for fewer than 100 yards, relying on the defense and running backs to win the game.
You really want to sit here and argue that 10/22 for 98 yards and a TD is significantly different than 5/13 for 30 yards and a TD?
never said it was. i also don't attempt to use one game sample sizes in a comparison because that's unreliable. i'm just trying to use their entire bodies of work from the 2011 season, all 14 games, but apparently a couple of y'all don't like doing that
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