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re: Draft Rumors: Players The Saints Have Met With Or Shown Interest In
Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:10 pm to BigBrod81
Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:10 pm to BigBrod81
More tidbits for you.
"SI.com's Inside Read reported that scouts were "shaking their heads" over the way Kentucky has used redshirt senior DE Alvin "Bud" Dupree.
This season, the 6-foot-4, 267-pound Dupree has 5.5 sacks and 8.5 tackles for loss. Scouts are intrigued by Dupree's potential outside of the Wildcats' system. "They don’t ask him to get the quarterback," said one scout. "They ask him to do a lot of things, reads on the coverage, set the edge." The scout added that "[Dupree]’ll be a better pro than a college player because he can do so many things." The scout said that if Dupree was gunning for the QB more, his numbers could be similar to Missouri's Shane Ray (12 sacks), who's a possible Top-10 pick."
Kentucky redshirt senior DE Alvin "Bud" Dupree has "long arms, a quick burst and the agility to evade cut-blocks," writes CBS Sports' Rob Rang.
"Dupree projects well as traditional 4-3 defensive end or in the stand-up outside linebacker role he currently stars for the Wildcats," Rang wrote. On Saturday, Dupree was a big factor in Kentucky's near-upset of Mississippi State. "Dupree, who entered the game as the SEC's reigning sacks leader with 19 career QB takedowns, was often asked to drop into coverage or flatten out his rushes in an attempt to keep Prescott from scrambling," Rang wrote. "The alignment robbed him of opportunities to rush upfield and build upon his impressive resume but helped the Wildcats apply some big hits to Prescott." Dupree "showed an explosive burst," wrote the analyst, who added that the star 6-foot-4, 267-pound DE "varies his rushes, lulling opponents to sleep with one speed and surprising them with an occasional extra burst to generate big plays at critical moments."
"SI.com's Inside Read reported that scouts were "shaking their heads" over the way Kentucky has used redshirt senior DE Alvin "Bud" Dupree.
This season, the 6-foot-4, 267-pound Dupree has 5.5 sacks and 8.5 tackles for loss. Scouts are intrigued by Dupree's potential outside of the Wildcats' system. "They don’t ask him to get the quarterback," said one scout. "They ask him to do a lot of things, reads on the coverage, set the edge." The scout added that "[Dupree]’ll be a better pro than a college player because he can do so many things." The scout said that if Dupree was gunning for the QB more, his numbers could be similar to Missouri's Shane Ray (12 sacks), who's a possible Top-10 pick."
Kentucky redshirt senior DE Alvin "Bud" Dupree has "long arms, a quick burst and the agility to evade cut-blocks," writes CBS Sports' Rob Rang.
"Dupree projects well as traditional 4-3 defensive end or in the stand-up outside linebacker role he currently stars for the Wildcats," Rang wrote. On Saturday, Dupree was a big factor in Kentucky's near-upset of Mississippi State. "Dupree, who entered the game as the SEC's reigning sacks leader with 19 career QB takedowns, was often asked to drop into coverage or flatten out his rushes in an attempt to keep Prescott from scrambling," Rang wrote. "The alignment robbed him of opportunities to rush upfield and build upon his impressive resume but helped the Wildcats apply some big hits to Prescott." Dupree "showed an explosive burst," wrote the analyst, who added that the star 6-foot-4, 267-pound DE "varies his rushes, lulling opponents to sleep with one speed and surprising them with an occasional extra burst to generate big plays at critical moments."
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Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:11 pm to Beer Genius
Dupree can tackle. Don't know where you are getting your sources from.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:15 pm to Beer Genius
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Dupree can tackle.
I would hope he can. He got mauled in the Wildcats game against Mississippi St. He also mauled in the game against LSU this past season & guess who did the honors? La'el Collins
Posted on 3/25/15 at 9:28 pm to Beer Genius
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showed an explosive burst," wrote the analyst, who added that the star 6-foot-4, 267-pound DE "varies his rushes, lulling opponents to sleep with one speed and surprising them with an occasional extra burst to generate big plays at critical moments."
Very similar to Galette's scouting reports.
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Galette is a versatile athlete who could play stand-up outside linebacker in a 3-4 scheme or contribute as a sub-package pass rusher in an even front. Galette is a very good athlete who plays with natural instincts and reactions. He doesn't have great hips or lateral burst, which will cause him to be a liability in man coverage, but he could develop into an adequate zone defender. He lacks strength at the point defending the run or collapsing the pocket as a pass rusher and can get overpowered by offensive tackles. He is an explosive edge rusher who has value on special teams and nickel packages
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Galette possesses the explosive burst off the edge you look for in a 3-4 outside linebacker or situational rush end in a 4-3. He exhibits impressive instincts and was highly-productive during his time in college. Is a high-motor, high-effort guy who plays through the whistle. He has the athleticism to make plays in the backfield.
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Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:08 pm to BigBrod81
Thars just one part of Dupree's game. We all know JR has trouble with coverage, where Dupree can cover tight ends no problem.
Hes a talent worth taking at 13.
Hes a talent worth taking at 13.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:32 pm to Beer Genius
Out of Payton's mouth from earlier today.
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Calls spot behind center most imporant property in football.
Posted on 3/25/15 at 11:51 pm to BigBrod81
Wait, y'all are having a Dupree argument without me?! Ok let me jump in...
I tend to lean towards this. There are really solid OG to be had at 31 or later, not too much can be said about EDGE players as versatile as Dupree. Plus Collins is more of a plus in the run game. Not saying he's sub par or anything in pass pro, but all of you saying "DO YOU WANT TO KILL DREW?!?!" by not taking an early OG, Collins isn't exactly the most polished pass protector prospect.
How can you sit here and rag on the guy for being high on Dupree(and rightfully so, he's a freak) and then in the same breathe say this? They're all prospects, there are no guarantees. Would it surprise me in the least if Collins had a solid career? Hell no. But it also wouldn't shock me AT ALL if Dupree had a way more decorated career than Collins. He's definitely got just as much, if not more, potential.
This statement right here makes me start to think you haven't actually watched/researched Dupree and you're kind of losing credibility with this particular player. He's nothing like a Gallete clone. Junior is a pass rusher. Period. Dupree is so much more. I wouldn't even say that's the strongest part of his game, and that's not a bad thing at all. He's definitely not one dimensional as he can drop into coverage and would be perfect for our SAM, OPPOSITE Junior.
I also don't know where you're getting this notion that he'd be shite against the run. One of his big attributes is being able to set the edge and attack the ball carrier and his relentless pursuit.
Again, no.
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I rather have him over Collins 9 out of 10 times.
I tend to lean towards this. There are really solid OG to be had at 31 or later, not too much can be said about EDGE players as versatile as Dupree. Plus Collins is more of a plus in the run game. Not saying he's sub par or anything in pass pro, but all of you saying "DO YOU WANT TO KILL DREW?!?!" by not taking an early OG, Collins isn't exactly the most polished pass protector prospect.
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Collins will be a perennial Pro Bowler at guard barring any catastrophic injuries. You can take that to the bank.
How can you sit here and rag on the guy for being high on Dupree(and rightfully so, he's a freak) and then in the same breathe say this? They're all prospects, there are no guarantees. Would it surprise me in the least if Collins had a solid career? Hell no. But it also wouldn't shock me AT ALL if Dupree had a way more decorated career than Collins. He's definitely got just as much, if not more, potential.
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Yep. He's a Junior Galette clone. One dimensional pass rusher who is a liability against the run. No thanks
This statement right here makes me start to think you haven't actually watched/researched Dupree and you're kind of losing credibility with this particular player. He's nothing like a Gallete clone. Junior is a pass rusher. Period. Dupree is so much more. I wouldn't even say that's the strongest part of his game, and that's not a bad thing at all. He's definitely not one dimensional as he can drop into coverage and would be perfect for our SAM, OPPOSITE Junior.
I also don't know where you're getting this notion that he'd be shite against the run. One of his big attributes is being able to set the edge and attack the ball carrier and his relentless pursuit.
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That defense would get gashed like a muthafricka by the run on the edges.
Again, no.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 8:54 am to Meateye
We are going to take La'el if he is there.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 10:53 am to CBandits82
Why? Because LSU? I'm sick of people picking him because he played at LSU and that makes him qualified to be picked at 13.
Dupree is a talent that we definitely grab at 13. Especially with the news that Gregory and Ray may fall down on the board.
Dupree is a talent that we definitely grab at 13. Especially with the news that Gregory and Ray may fall down on the board.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 10:56 am to Beer Genius
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I'm sick of people picking him because he played at LSU and that makes him qualified to be picked at 13.
Dupree is a talent that we definitely grab at 13. Especially with the news that Gregory and Ray may fall down on the board.
your logic and reasoning skills need to be improved all over.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 11:11 am to Chad504boy
Having 3 down LB with the talent that Dupree carries is a rare talent. They don't come by bunches like guards does.
I ll say this again and again. We need talent on our OLB corps, we have way too much of slow LBS in Hawthrone, Harlson, and Ellbre. We need to grab Dupree and develop him in a legitimate OLB for years to come. Dupree can contribute right away in certain defense package for Rob Ryan.
La'el Collins, while I am not doubting his ability, I don't think he will contribute right away as well as Dupree could at that number 13 spot. WHich is why I want us to pass Collins and pick Dupree.
I ll say this again and again. We need talent on our OLB corps, we have way too much of slow LBS in Hawthrone, Harlson, and Ellbre. We need to grab Dupree and develop him in a legitimate OLB for years to come. Dupree can contribute right away in certain defense package for Rob Ryan.
La'el Collins, while I am not doubting his ability, I don't think he will contribute right away as well as Dupree could at that number 13 spot. WHich is why I want us to pass Collins and pick Dupree.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 11:20 am to Beer Genius
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Why? Because LSU? I'm sick of people picking him because he played at LSU and that makes him qualified to be picked at 13.
I am the absolute opposite of that, I cant stand the "Take this guy because LSU!!!!" crap. Hes just the best pick here. I cant believe you are still on here arguing this shite.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 11:21 am to Beer Genius
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La'el Collins, while I am not doubting his ability, I don't think he will contribute right away as well as Dupree could at that number 13 spot. WHich is why I want us to pass Collins and pick Dupree.
You know how I know you're a fricking moron?
Posted on 3/26/15 at 11:27 am to Meateye
Posted on 3/26/15 at 11:32 am to Beer Genius
Not everyone on this board is a LSU fan. Many Saints fans don't like LSU at all. Even those guys know that the smart pick is Collins. He's the best run blocker in the entire draft and while he had some trouble with speed rushers off the edge...it's not as bad as some people think. He was easily our best olineman and was easily better than average at pass protection while out on an island at left tackle. Collins is going to maul people at guard in the NFL.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 11:35 am to GMoney2600
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Why are some of y'all leaving off Dupree for late-first/second round prospects?
We're not,
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Who do WE want at #13? Simple
I think Dupree will stick around longer than the people I named. I want Dupree too but just not at 13, if we can get him at 31 or maybe move up a couple spots to the 25 range and take him i would be fine with that too.
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Yeah they're both solid players. I think at 13 tho I'd rather get Dupree if he's still available. I love Collins as a prospect, but there are plenty of solid guards to be had later like Cann, Tomlinson, Marpet or Tre Jackson. The same can't be said for an EDGE like Dupree, especially one as versatile as him.
Yeah I agree, I just really believe Collins is really filling two needs for us, an awesome guard for now and an replacement for Strief a few years down the road. So to me the better plan is take Collins at 13 and a gaurd later in the draft to move into a starting spot once Strief retires or leaves and Collins moves over.JMHO.
But I wouldnt be mad if they took Dupree at 13
And you call me a moron for pointing out the obvious. Yeah sure whatever floats your boat.
Why are some of y'all leaving off Dupree for late-first/second round prospects?
We're not,
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Who do WE want at #13? Simple
I think Dupree will stick around longer than the people I named. I want Dupree too but just not at 13, if we can get him at 31 or maybe move up a couple spots to the 25 range and take him i would be fine with that too.
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Yeah they're both solid players. I think at 13 tho I'd rather get Dupree if he's still available. I love Collins as a prospect, but there are plenty of solid guards to be had later like Cann, Tomlinson, Marpet or Tre Jackson. The same can't be said for an EDGE like Dupree, especially one as versatile as him.
Yeah I agree, I just really believe Collins is really filling two needs for us, an awesome guard for now and an replacement for Strief a few years down the road. So to me the better plan is take Collins at 13 and a gaurd later in the draft to move into a starting spot once Strief retires or leaves and Collins moves over.JMHO.
But I wouldnt be mad if they took Dupree at 13
And you call me a moron for pointing out the obvious. Yeah sure whatever floats your boat.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 11:40 am to GMoney2600
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Not everyone on this board is a LSU fan. Many Saints fans don't like LSU at all. Even those guys know that the smart pick is Collins. He's the best run blocker in the entire draft and while he had some trouble with speed rushers off the edge...it's not as bad as some people think. He was easily our best olineman and was easily better than average at pass protection while out on an island at left tackle. Collins is going to maul people at guard in the NFL.
And there is easily other guards in the 2nd-3rd rounds that we could get that can do what he does.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 11:44 am to Beer Genius
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And there is easily other guards in the 2nd-3rd rounds that we could get that can do what he does
Coming from a guy that wants to draft a TE in the 2nd or 3rd round.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 11:47 am to Beer Genius
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And you call me a moron for pointing out the obvious. Yeah sure whatever floats your boat.
The whole point of it is you acting like drafting Collins at 13 is totally out of the question and ridiculous. When its so far from the truth. Collins is a top 10 talent.
I think we could trade back to the 20 area and take Dupree there. Collins is a better talent and rated way higher than Dupree. But if he is gone already I wouldnt have a problem with taking Dupree, but moving back a little to do so. 13 is a reach for him.
P.S. Figure out how to use the page correctly, whatever you did up there^^^^^ makes no sense.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 11:51 am to Meateye
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And you call me a moron for pointing out the obvious. Yeah sure whatever floats your boat.
The whole point of it is you acting like drafting Collins at 13 is totally out of the question and ridiculous. When its so far from the truth. Collins is a top 10 talent.
I think we could trade back to the 20 area and take Dupree there. Collins is a better talent and rated way higher than Dupree. But if he is gone already I wouldnt have a problem with taking Dupree, but moving back a little to do so. 13 is a reach for him.
P.S. Figure out how to use the page correctly, whatever you did up there^^^^^ makes no sense.
You one being dramatic here. I never sent the message that Collins was out of the question. I see his potential, but love Dupree's potential more.
Your claims of Dupree being a reach at 13 is incorrect. He is projected to go in TOP 15, I don't know if taking him 2 spots higher is a reach. I think that is where we disagree.
Hey, calm down and stop taking things so personally. I am not.
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