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re: James Harden has done it. 50 points, 10 rebounds, 4 assists
Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:12 am to PortCityTiger24
Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:12 am to PortCityTiger24
People are overreacting. Hes a great player and gets to the line with ease. It just makes his game boring and it cast a negative light on him.
It's no fun when you get more than half of your points from the free throw line.
shite, harden is the only player in the league who has more made free throw then made field goals
It's no fun when you get more than half of your points from the free throw line.
shite, harden is the only player in the league who has more made free throw then made field goals
This post was edited on 3/20/15 at 11:11 am
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Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:16 am to cas4t
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that's cool and I lumme some James Hardin but Westbrook is the best player in the NBA as of today
Why, because he keeps getting triple doubles? Meanwhile his team is just barely squeaking by average teams?
Fricking Celtics and 76ers took them to the wire.
This post was edited on 3/20/15 at 10:17 am
Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:34 am to Dr. Shultz
His game is far from boring. 3's, dunks, crossovers, step backs, euro steps, not to mention he's a lefty. He is one of the funnest guys in the league to watch. He shoots 10 ft a game due to making guys look silly.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:37 am to PortCityTiger24
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He shoots 10 ft a game due to making guys look silly.
Does he really average that many more FT's per game than other stars through the years? I honestly don't know. More FTA's per season (on average) than Kobe, MJ, Wade, or other comparable 2's?
PTM or Swag, can y'all get on that?
This post was edited on 3/20/15 at 10:37 am
Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:38 am to PortCityTiger24
He shoots more free throws than anyone.
Free throws slow down the game
Free throws create a more boring game.
Does he do other shite that's exciting? For sure. I'm not saying he's not exciting or anything just all of his free throw attempts and shite slows down the game and makes his game not as fun.
All the other guys who get tons of free throw attempts still take and make more shots from the field then him and still get free throws, which is why their game is more fun to watch. You can't argue the fact that harden is the only guy who has more free throw attempts than field goal attempts. He's done that every year he's been at Houston and I'm pretty sure he is the only person to do so in the last 3 years(even though I'm not going to research it)
Free throws slow down the game
Free throws create a more boring game.
Does he do other shite that's exciting? For sure. I'm not saying he's not exciting or anything just all of his free throw attempts and shite slows down the game and makes his game not as fun.
All the other guys who get tons of free throw attempts still take and make more shots from the field then him and still get free throws, which is why their game is more fun to watch. You can't argue the fact that harden is the only guy who has more free throw attempts than field goal attempts. He's done that every year he's been at Houston and I'm pretty sure he is the only person to do so in the last 3 years(even though I'm not going to research it
) Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:46 am to MSMHater
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Does he really average that many more FT's per game than other stars through the years? I honestly don't know. More FTA's per season (on average) than Kobe, MJ, Wade, or other comparable 2's?
MJ
Career average - 8.2 attempts per game
2 highest seasons - 11.9 and 10.5
Kobe
Career average - 7.6 attempts per game
2 highest seasons - 10.2 and 10.0
Harden
Career average - 7.0
2 highest seasons - 10.2 and 10.0
Wade
Career average - 8.2
2 highest seasons - 10.7 and 10.5
Kobe and MJ were boring players
ETA - Added Wade, who has the same career average as MJ
This post was edited on 3/20/15 at 10:57 am
Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:58 am to Dr. Shultz
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Does he do other shite that's exciting? For sure. I'm not saying he's not exciting or anything just all of his free throw attempts and shite slows down the game and makes his game not as fun.
Look at the numbers I posted.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:58 am to SwaggerCopter
still 31 shy 
Posted on 3/20/15 at 11:02 am to PortCityTiger24
i've never seen someone get criticized for getting to the line as much as he does.
if anything, doesn't that show how aggressive he is? he's not just outside waiting on a jump shot to open up.
if anything, doesn't that show how aggressive he is? he's not just outside waiting on a jump shot to open up.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 11:06 am to PortCityTiger24
First off, those averages from guys entire careers. Harden is just now reaching his prime so those numbers will go up.
But besides that, I never said it was bad that he attempted a lot of free throws. Its bad that he has more Made free throws than Made field goals.
Mj, KD, wade, Lebron, Kobe, and the rest of the superstars have NEVER done that. Harden, on the other hand, has done it in EVERY single season since he has been a starter (all 3 years in Houston)
I'm not bashing him for it. It's a very efficient way to get points and I'm all for taking advantage of the system you are dealt BUT it does take away from his game a bit.
But besides that, I never said it was bad that he attempted a lot of free throws. Its bad that he has more Made free throws than Made field goals.
Mj, KD, wade, Lebron, Kobe, and the rest of the superstars have NEVER done that. Harden, on the other hand, has done it in EVERY single season since he has been a starter (all 3 years in Houston)
I'm not bashing him for it. It's a very efficient way to get points and I'm all for taking advantage of the system you are dealt BUT it does take away from his game a bit.
This post was edited on 3/20/15 at 11:08 am
Posted on 3/20/15 at 11:12 am to Dr. Shultz
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First off, those averages from guys entire careers. Harden is just now reaching his prime so those numbers will go up.
First off, Jordan's best numbers were during the age of 24 and 25. Harden's were 23 and 25.
Same with Kobe. He barely played his rookie year.
Look the numbers up and stop talking out of your arse. He is on par with all 3 of those guys who were great shooting guards. As they got older their attempts went down.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 11:14 am to PortCityTiger24
Dude. I'm not even arguing how many free throw attempts he has a game. I've never said that
I'm arguing his game is downplayed because he makes more free throws than he does actual field goals.
Something those guys you mentioned have never done and something ONLY he has done over the last 3 years. Yet for some reason you keep arguing some fictional point I never disagreed with
I'm arguing his game is downplayed because he makes more free throws than he does actual field goals.
Something those guys you mentioned have never done and something ONLY he has done over the last 3 years. Yet for some reason you keep arguing some fictional point I never disagreed with
Posted on 3/20/15 at 11:15 am to PortCityTiger24
Posted on 3/20/15 at 11:16 am to Dr. Shultz
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Something those guys you mentioned have never done and something ONLY he has done over the last 3 years. Yet for some reason you keep arguing some fictional point I never disagreed with
I am saying that the thought that he isn't exciting to watch due to the amount of ft he takes a game makes zero sense unless you think MJ, Wade or Kobe were boring too. That's all I am saying.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 11:19 am to Dr. Shultz
quote:how so? I don't really follow the logic.
BUT it does take away from his game a bit.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 11:22 am to PortCityTiger24
Thanks, Port. 
Pretty much what I thought it would be.
Pretty much what I thought it would be.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 11:24 am to Dr. Shultz
Maybe Harden gets to the line so much because players can't defend him effectively.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 11:27 am to PortCityTiger24
I'll admit I may have worded what I was saying poorly. His game isn't boring but the amount of free throws he makes compared to his actual shots made makes him more boring than the other individuals you have mentioned
You are arguing a fact that I never discredited trying to prove he isn't boring.
What I'm saying is this.
James harden is the only star to ever have more free throw attempts made than field goal attempts made.
If you look at his career stats that you just posted he even has more career free throw makes than field goal.
Here Is something I think we can all agree on. During the regular course of a game, it is more exciting to watch a player shoot the ball while being defended than shooting from the free throw line with no one moving or defending him, yes?
Knowing this, we can conclude that hardens game can be pictured as being less exciting because he makes more shots when everyone else is standing still doing nothing than he does when people are defending him.
He's the ONLY superstar of the other previous greats that you have mentioned to ever do that. He's the only player in the last 3 seasons in the NBA to do that as well. And it this rate, he may be the only player in NBA history to go down with more free throws made than actual field goals made
Do I think he's an elite player? Hellz yeah. But do I think him having this niche of being a player with more free throws made than field goals made is a negative thing? Yes I do and I think other people do as well. And this is where all this hating comes from when people get mad that he goes to the line so often.
No one cared when KD was going to the line 10 times a game last season. You know why? Because he was still shooting 50% from the field and making a lot more shots from the field than from the free throw line.
You are arguing a fact that I never discredited trying to prove he isn't boring.
What I'm saying is this.
James harden is the only star to ever have more free throw attempts made than field goal attempts made.
If you look at his career stats that you just posted he even has more career free throw makes than field goal.
Here Is something I think we can all agree on. During the regular course of a game, it is more exciting to watch a player shoot the ball while being defended than shooting from the free throw line with no one moving or defending him, yes?
Knowing this, we can conclude that hardens game can be pictured as being less exciting because he makes more shots when everyone else is standing still doing nothing than he does when people are defending him.
He's the ONLY superstar of the other previous greats that you have mentioned to ever do that. He's the only player in the last 3 seasons in the NBA to do that as well. And it this rate, he may be the only player in NBA history to go down with more free throws made than actual field goals made
Do I think he's an elite player? Hellz yeah. But do I think him having this niche of being a player with more free throws made than field goals made is a negative thing? Yes I do and I think other people do as well. And this is where all this hating comes from when people get mad that he goes to the line so often.
No one cared when KD was going to the line 10 times a game last season. You know why? Because he was still shooting 50% from the field and making a lot more shots from the field than from the free throw line.
This post was edited on 3/20/15 at 11:29 am
Posted on 3/20/15 at 11:28 am to Goldrush25
That's exactly what it is.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 11:30 am to Goldrush25
Yall continue to argue a fact I'm not disputing. I have never said its a bad thing he gets to line more than anyone else
Like shite. Can yall even read?
Like shite. Can yall even read?
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