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re: La Nat Guard soldiers among those killed in helicopter crash. *PRAYERS*
Posted on 3/11/15 at 1:14 pm to White Roach
Posted on 3/11/15 at 1:14 pm to White Roach
quote:Obviously. And I asked where you heard this b/c it's the first time that it's been mentioned here.
I ASKED this. Do you see the question mark at the end of the sentence?
quote:
the crewmen from the other bird are on a convoy back home.
The post that you responded to says nothing about the helicopter being transported back home by ground which is why I was assuming that you heard it from another source
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 3/11/15 at 1:21 pm to ForeverLSU02
I have no source. I assumed that the 2nd helo wasn't going to fly itself home if it's crew was traveling by ground, so I asked if they were hauling the aircraft back to Hammond with them.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 1:26 pm to White Roach
quote:Couldn't they just leave the chopper at Eglin? Not sure why they would have to bring it home with them.
I assumed that the 2nd helo wasn't going to fly itself home if it's crew was traveling by ground
Posted on 3/11/15 at 1:30 pm to ForeverLSU02
maybe convoy wasn't the best choice of words there. i just know that they are coming back here on the ground.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 1:31 pm to Murtagh
It's all good. Just a bit of miscommunication
Posted on 3/11/15 at 1:37 pm to Charlie Arglist
Really praying for some good news right now.
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 3/11/15 at 1:37 pm to White Roach
confused now. Thought you were saying they "were" bringing it via ground back to hammond. I was simply stating i thought it would stay longer for investigation. Soldiers should go home.
Anyways, hopefully they are safe. Marines too.
Anyways, hopefully they are safe. Marines too.
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 3/11/15 at 1:41 pm to ForeverLSU02
Aren't aircraft assigned to specific units? It seems like eventually that helo will need to find its way back to the 244th.
I know when I worked in refineries, if there were a couple of injuries, or even near misses, within a day or three, there would be a refinery wide "safety stand down". Maybe the LA ANG does the same thing. Maybe the 2nd crew was too emotionally distraught to fly. Maybe the 2nd crew was somehow involved in the accident. I don't know.
I know when I worked in refineries, if there were a couple of injuries, or even near misses, within a day or three, there would be a refinery wide "safety stand down". Maybe the LA ANG does the same thing. Maybe the 2nd crew was too emotionally distraught to fly. Maybe the 2nd crew was somehow involved in the accident. I don't know.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 1:46 pm to ForeverLSU02
Sorry I should have put this in here.
I was talking to a buddy of mine from Bay St Louis in Mississippi yesterday about noon on a cell phone when all the sudden he goes "What the hell?" phone went out for a few seconds.
He came back laughing and I ask what happened. He said "this big black military helicopter flew right over my head. It seemed like only a 100 feet or so. I have never seen one fly that low before. Scared the hell out of me." I think we was on the beach in Bay St Louis.
Then the sad news story last night. We were asking how did everyone die, and why couldn't it attempt to land it or something but obviously the were doing some kind of low altitude flying mission yesterday. They must have hit something or had massive mechanical failure and no time to correct it. Prayers to all the families.
We used to see this all the time fishing camping at the Barrier Islands but usually jets. They would get bored and buzz us, wing tip, etc sometimes which was fun. (Fishing can be boring sometimes) My buddy used to run the war games radar station for these test for a number of years. WE would always know when this was coming because our GPS would be off. (They denied doing this for years but everyone knows they did.) It was fine we get an airshow in exchange for the extra 30 minutes to find the wrecks. Plus when you saw the jets you knew your GPS unit was working ok, just being scrambled a little bit.
Prayers again to all those impacted by the tragedy.
I was talking to a buddy of mine from Bay St Louis in Mississippi yesterday about noon on a cell phone when all the sudden he goes "What the hell?" phone went out for a few seconds.
He came back laughing and I ask what happened. He said "this big black military helicopter flew right over my head. It seemed like only a 100 feet or so. I have never seen one fly that low before. Scared the hell out of me." I think we was on the beach in Bay St Louis.
Then the sad news story last night. We were asking how did everyone die, and why couldn't it attempt to land it or something but obviously the were doing some kind of low altitude flying mission yesterday. They must have hit something or had massive mechanical failure and no time to correct it. Prayers to all the families.
We used to see this all the time fishing camping at the Barrier Islands but usually jets. They would get bored and buzz us, wing tip, etc sometimes which was fun. (Fishing can be boring sometimes) My buddy used to run the war games radar station for these test for a number of years. WE would always know when this was coming because our GPS would be off. (They denied doing this for years but everyone knows they did.) It was fine we get an airshow in exchange for the extra 30 minutes to find the wrecks. Plus when you saw the jets you knew your GPS unit was working ok, just being scrambled a little bit.
Prayers again to all those impacted by the tragedy.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 1:51 pm to terd ferguson
quote:
It seemed pretty obvious to me...
thats because you get me
Posted on 3/11/15 at 1:53 pm to tgrbaitn08
Press conference streaming on KATC now.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 2:38 pm to slutiger5
Just read: Human Remains Wash Ashore
Also, this was on the MARSOC website...I assume probably same folks involved.
LINK
Also, this was on the MARSOC website...I assume probably same folks involved.
LINK
quote:
MARSOC’s ability to conduct the exercise was also dependent upon several Marine Corps and other military service units. Service members with Marine Light Attack Helicopter Squadron 773 in Belle Chasse, La.; Marine Heavy Helicopter Squadron 772 in Lakehurst, N.J.; 122nd Air Support Operations Squadron in Pineville, La.; 524th Special Operations Squadron at Cannon Air Force Base, N.M.; 1st Special Operations Group in Hurlburt Field, Fla.; 7th Special Forces Group at Eglin Air Force Base, Fla.; and Louisiana Army National Guard’s Army Aviation Support Facility 1 in Hammond, La., participated in the exercise.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 2:47 pm to DeltaDoc
It sounds like the accident took place in the Santa Rosa Sound ("bay" side of the island), not on the Gulf side. I'd assume that this will make the recovery and investigation somewhat easier, as I believe the water is pretty shallow.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 2:53 pm to White Roach
quote:
It sounds like the accident took place in the Santa Rosa Sound ("bay" side of the island), not on the Gulf side. I'd assume that this will make the recovery and investigation somewhat easier, as I believe the water is pretty shallow.
It is really shallow there in places. There is a channel of sorts, but if they went down in the sound, it would have to make the recovery exponentially easier.
Very sad deal though...no matter what.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 3:00 pm to DeltaDoc
An airliner ditched in the sound near the Pensacola bridge about 35 years ago. After it sank, it was clearly visible on the bottom and I think the tail was sticking out of the water.
I realize that a broken up Blackhawk isn't the same as an intact airliner, but I'd think the shallow water will make the recovery easier.
The water temperature in Lake Pontchartrain was mid-50s last week. Does anyone know what the water temp is near the accident site and if someone could survive 18+ hours in it?
I realize that a broken up Blackhawk isn't the same as an intact airliner, but I'd think the shallow water will make the recovery easier.
The water temperature in Lake Pontchartrain was mid-50s last week. Does anyone know what the water temp is near the accident site and if someone could survive 18+ hours in it?
Posted on 3/11/15 at 3:06 pm to White Roach
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Does anyone know what the water temp is near the accident site and if someone could survive 18+ hours in it?
I have a fishing buddy in Destin that told me the water just out of Destin pass was in the mid/low-60s this past weekend - talking about the impending cobia migration.
I would assume the water in the Sound would be similar. The Sound is narrow enough that unless severely injured, a person should be able to swim to land.
Sadly, based on the wreckage pics in this thread, it looks like a high impact crash and I would bet they were killed at or near the time of that impact.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 3:15 pm to DeltaDoc
You're probably right, but crazy things happen.
I was reading a book about the 160th SOAR that described a cold weather training accident near Ft Campbell. A MH-6 Little Bird hit some power lines way above a river and one of the pilots was ejected through the windscreen. He fell about 100', landed in the mud on the river bank and wasn't found for hours. He was all messed up, but he survived.
I was reading a book about the 160th SOAR that described a cold weather training accident near Ft Campbell. A MH-6 Little Bird hit some power lines way above a river and one of the pilots was ejected through the windscreen. He fell about 100', landed in the mud on the river bank and wasn't found for hours. He was all messed up, but he survived.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 3:31 pm to Charlie Arglist
Thoughts and prayers to the families and friends of those we lost.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 3:50 pm to Wolfhound45
For those LANG members that post on here, I'm sure many of them will know one or all those in the crash. I pray for the best but a helo down is never a good thing.
Thoughts and prayers from the middle east, to the families of these Soldiers!!
Thoughts and prayers from the middle east, to the families of these Soldiers!!
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