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re: A current all-NBA team would wreck the dream team

Posted on 3/6/15 at 10:49 am to
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 3/6/15 at 10:49 am to
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To the people telling me Magic Johnson was the Finals MVP as a center...

He "played center" for 1 game only when Kareem got hurt. Game 6 in 1980.

I just went back and watched a condensed version of the game.

Although he was labeled as the "center", he was still handling the ball and working from the perimeter like a point guard... shooting jump shots, running the break, etc. he posted up ONE time, and immediately passed it back out to an open man.

So to those saying he won the MVP "as a center" as proof that Magic could post up, either you are just regurgitating something you heard without knowing for yourself, or you are being purposely disingenuous.


I've known and been arguing this for years.

While he "started" at Center, he played very little actual time at the position in the game.

Dream Team would still be fine in a game.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
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Posted on 3/6/15 at 10:49 am to
Shaquille wasn't even in the NBA yet for the '92 Olympics...
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 3/6/15 at 10:51 am to
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Shaquille wasn't even in the NBA yet for the '92 Olympics...
Neither was Laettner
Posted by Tigerfan56
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Posted on 3/6/15 at 10:52 am to
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To the people telling me Magic Johnson was the Finals MVP as a center... He "played center" for 1 game only when Kareem got hurt. Game 6 in 1980. I just went back and watched a condensed version of the game. Although he was labeled as the "center", he was still handling the ball and working from the perimeter like a point guard... shooting jump shots, running the break, etc. he posted up ONE time, and immediately passed it back out to an open man. So to those saying he won the MVP "as a center" as proof that Magic could post up, either you are just regurgitating something you heard without knowing for yourself, or you are being purposely disingenuous.


Dude please stop with this. You're ruining the nostalgia! If Magic played today, he would be the best Center in the league! This is a known fact from that one game where he played Center.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 3/6/15 at 10:52 am to
he was drafted into the NBA that summer. He put up 23/14/3 as a damn 20 yr old.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 3/6/15 at 10:53 am to
You are just wrong. Now, post defenders can put a forearm in the offensive player's back and are allowed to push back. Back in '92, defenders couldn't do that.

Are you going to make me look up the rules and show it to you?
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
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Posted on 3/6/15 at 10:53 am to
You are just wrong. Now, post defenders can put a forearm in the offensive player's back and are allowed to push back. Back in '92, defenders couldn't do that.

Are you going to make me look up the rules and show it to you?
Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 3/6/15 at 10:54 am to
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But if you are making a "basketball was better in the 90s' argument



It wasn't though. The defenses are way more advanced now and the offenses are way more efficient.

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A startgin line up of Stockton, Jordan, Pippen, Malone and Shaq qoudl eat alone any lineup you could put together.


I love the idea of Stockton trying to guard Westbrook

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You think Deandre Jordan or Marc Gasol is stopping Shaq?


I mean Marc Gasol won DPOY just 2 seasons ago. He wouldn't shut down Shaq obviously, but he is no pushover defensively.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 3/6/15 at 10:54 am to
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Curry/Harden/James/Davis/Jordan and bring Westbrook off the bench as the backup 1/2 and try to run these guys out of the building.



Westbrook & Harden have way too many 5-20 shooting nights. The Dream Team would not play nicely with these 2.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 3/6/15 at 10:55 am to
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I mean Marc Gasol won DPOY just 2 seasons ago. He wouldn't shut down Shaq obviously, but he is no pushover defensively.



any Center on the dream team, as well as Shaq and 2-3 other centers from that era would abuse Gasol. He doesn't face players like that anymore.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 3/6/15 at 10:55 am to
And he hardly played. You guys are taking what we know about Shaq now and are expecting college Shaq to start over Robinson or Ewing.

That wouldn't happen, and it's irrelevant to the thread because this thread is specifically about the 1992 Olympic team.
Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 3/6/15 at 10:56 am to
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There is nobody in the league today that could defend underneath in a man situation against these guys.


Jesus
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 3/6/15 at 11:00 am to
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Now, post defenders can put a forearm in the offensive player's back and are allowed to push back. Back in '92, defenders couldn't do that.

Are you using this as an argument that interior defenders are more physical? What you are saying is that modern Interior defenders are so weak, the NBA had to help them out.

In 92, they weren't allowed to do that, so they had to be bigger and stronger to use their body.

In today's NBA, you can double a guy without the ball. . .which led to less of a premium on big strong dudes. And they had to make it legal to foul the ballhandler in the post, because the new weaker post players couldn't stop anyone.

You just made my point for me.
Posted by SammyTiger
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Posted on 3/6/15 at 11:04 am to
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I love the idea of Stockton trying to guard Westbrook


I would love to see Westbrook ball hog his team of allstars. His point average is amazing this year, but his FG% sucks.

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I mean Marc Gasol won DPOY just 2 seasons ago. He wouldn't shut down Shaq obviously, but he is no pushover defensively.


There isn't a center today who could lineup with Shaq at pretty much any point in his NBA career up until 2007 maybe.

Plus Michael fricking Jordan.
Posted by Tigerfan56
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 3/6/15 at 11:05 am to
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A startgin line up of Stockton, Jordan, Pippen, Malone and Shaq


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You think Deandre Jordan or Marc Gasol is stopping Shaq?


No. But taking that starting 5 and countering with

Russ
Lebron
KD
AD
Gasol

Shaq will dominate Gasol. Malone on O vs AD on D would be interesting because of Malone's size vs Davis length and athleticism. LBJ would reasonably contain MJ as much as anyone could. Pippen probably gets KD pretty good.

When 15 has the ball, there are also matchup nightmares though. Pippen is the only one who can guard KD or Lebron. So pick your poison there. MJ was great at D but gives up too much size vs LBJ or KD. Stockton isn't athletic enough for Russ, and way too small to put on anyone else. Malone would have troubles guarding Davis because of athleticism. And the floor spacing of this lineup means Shaq can't guard the rim the whole time which opens up driving lanes for Bron/Russ.


So many people ITT post about how no one could guard so and so from 92, then ignore the matchups that 92 couldn't defend.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 3/6/15 at 11:06 am to
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I love the idea of Stockton trying to guard Westbrook
NBA career steals record holder
5-time NBA All-Defensive team


I think he'll be fine
Posted by Tigerfan56
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 3/6/15 at 11:08 am to
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I would love to see Westbrook ball hog his team of allstars


He also averages 8 APG. KD has missed about half the year in case you were wondering. Should the Thunder have Dion Waiters as their primary scorer?
Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 3/6/15 at 11:08 am to
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In today's NBA, you can double a guy without the ball.


Nobody does this. You would get absolutely torched doing this.

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which led to less of a premium on big strong dudes.


The game has evovled. Bigs are more skilled now.

Offenses have evolved to where many teams have realized just throwing the ball in to the post isn't the best form of offense.

Tim Duncan is arguably the best PF of all time and the Spurs realized they had to change from just throwing the ball in to him every possession. They would absolutely carve up these 90's defenses.

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And they had to make it legal to foul the ballhandler in the post, because the new weaker post players couldn't stop anyone.


Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 3/6/15 at 11:09 am to
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1. its fricking stupid to get to pick from every player currently in the NBA from all over the world vs a USA team in 1992 that didn't have shall on it.


Nah. That is the point of the thread. Lester Earl and others have a problem with Spaniards on the team, but the OP specifically said a 2015 All-NBA team against the 1992 Dream Team. People have continued to move the goal post in this entire thread, but few have actually responded to the original hypothetical.

Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
116328 posts
Posted on 3/6/15 at 11:09 am to
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NBA career steals record holder
5-time NBA All-Defensive team


I think he'll be fine



No shite. These kids really don't know crap.

The dream team would be fine. It would be a good game.
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