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When did the idea all kids go to college begin?
Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:07 pm
I do not get it at all. Illiterate children in 12th grade wanting to go to four-year colleges? Really?
We did away with vo-tech and other programs because tracking was considered racist...yeah, our country is stupid.
Where does this end? College tuition is no longer worth it's value in many circumstances (not all obviously). It is over-saturated and students begin their working careers owing an average of $28k (student loans)...or a full year of career pay after taxes (on average).
Schools need to focus on creating functional citizens and not college-ready. There is no shame in making $50,000/year working a blue-collar and starting the workforce at age 19 as opposed to starting at 22 and making even less. working a "college degree job."
We did away with vo-tech and other programs because tracking was considered racist...yeah, our country is stupid.
Where does this end? College tuition is no longer worth it's value in many circumstances (not all obviously). It is over-saturated and students begin their working careers owing an average of $28k (student loans)...or a full year of career pay after taxes (on average).
Schools need to focus on creating functional citizens and not college-ready. There is no shame in making $50,000/year working a blue-collar and starting the workforce at age 19 as opposed to starting at 22 and making even less. working a "college degree job."
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 2:39 pm
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Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:08 pm to House_of Cards
I think the mentality that all kids had to go to college started around the late 80s and grew through the 90s into the 2000s.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:08 pm to House_of Cards
quote:
House_of Cards
quote:
I do not get it at all. Illiterate children in 12th grade wanting to go to four-year colleges? Really?
We did away with vo-tech and other programs because tracking was considered racist...yeah, our country is stupid.
Where does this end? College tuition is no longer worth it's value. It is over-saturated and students begin their working careers owing an average of $28k...or a full year of career pay after taxes (on average).
Do you have any idea how many vo-tech schools are in the State of Louisiana?
Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:08 pm to House_of Cards
This should be good & I see downvotes in your future.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:09 pm to House_of Cards
When did we start giving second , third and fourth place trophies?
Judge Smails said it best "Well, the world needs ditch diggers too"
Judge Smails said it best "Well, the world needs ditch diggers too"
Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:10 pm to House_of Cards
quote:lol
College tuition is no longer worth it's value.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:13 pm to House_of Cards
College for everyone is a one size fits all mentality.
What ever happened to diversity?
Carpenters, plumbers, electricians and mechanics, etc., are needed and are valuable.
What ever happened to diversity?
Carpenters, plumbers, electricians and mechanics, etc., are needed and are valuable.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:14 pm to House_of Cards
quote:this didn't happen, at all.
We did away with vo-tech and other programs because tracking was considered racist...yeah, our country is stupid.
quote:yes it is.
Where does this end? College tuition is no longer worth it's value.
quote:because this is the norm
here is no shame in making $50,000/year working a blue-collar and starting the workforce at age 19
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Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:16 pm to House_of Cards
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There is no shame in making $50,000/year working a blue-collar and starting the workforce at age 19 as opposed to starting at 22 and making even less. working a "college degree job."
The problem is that blue-collar jobs are trivialized as what you do because you didn't go to college. It's the stupidest thing, since I know a lot of bartenders, waitresses and hairdressers with some extremely impressive history and literature degrees. The more we move away from being a proud country of makers towards this country of service workers, the views aren't going to get better. Globalization has also made the career job in the factory nearly impossible, so I think there is a fear by parents that an education is necessary to stay competitive in a market that does not guarantee a job that doesn't require class-taught skills.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:16 pm to House_of Cards
When that game "LIFE" came out. If you didn't go to college in that game, you were broke and lost. In other words, you sucked at LIFE.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:17 pm to House_of Cards
Not everyone is cut out for college, I agree with that. But, to say that college tuition isn't worth it, is a broad generalization. There are many careers that require individuals with a college degree (or two). Many of these careers make a salary that would justify the cost of college. I think I spent less than 50k (maybe a bit more) on two degrees. I'd definitely say that they've already paid off (5 years out).
Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:17 pm to House_of Cards
When you increase the supply of something, it's value goes down. No reason it should be different for college degrees.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:19 pm to House_of Cards
When America declared a war on infrastructure and started vilifying technical workers.
Show me one plumber on TV that isn't fat and slovenly with an asscrack
Show me one plumber on TV that isn't fat and slovenly with an asscrack
Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:21 pm to House_of Cards
Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:27 pm to House_of Cards
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Schools need to focus on creating functional citizens and not college-ready. There is no shame in making $50,000/year working a blue-collar and starting the workforce at age 19 as opposed to starting at 22 and making even less. working a "college degree job."
How many careers are out there for a 19 year old with no skills or college degree to earn 50,000 a year besides working offshore?
Posted on 12/11/14 at 1:52 pm to House_of Cards
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It's a very American idea, and I hate it (I'm in education).
Maybe half the students that are in college SHOULD actually be there.
It's a very American idea, and I hate it (I'm in education).
Maybe half the students that are in college SHOULD actually be there.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:05 pm to House_of Cards
It kept you out of war
Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:16 pm to House_of Cards
There seems to be this big misconception that if you don't have a $60k salary or whatever after college then it was all a big failure.
The "value" of a college degree doesn't come from how much your salary is after graduation. It is the education and college experience you get from it. The only people that seem to get that are the ones that attended (and actually graduated) college.
If you don't care much about the "college experience" and just want to learn a hard skill and make money then by all means go to a trade school.
The "value" of a college degree doesn't come from how much your salary is after graduation. It is the education and college experience you get from it. The only people that seem to get that are the ones that attended (and actually graduated) college.
If you don't care much about the "college experience" and just want to learn a hard skill and make money then by all means go to a trade school.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:18 pm to House_of Cards
Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:32 pm to House_of Cards
I grew up under the impression that U HAVE TO GO TO COLLEGE. U HAVE TO GO TO COLLEGE. U HAVE TO GO TO COLLEGE. From my family.
I went to college and couldnt get anywhere with a degree (like many others).
So my dad told me "why won't you go out into a plant and learn a trade".
My close friends were in the same boat as me. Working dead in jobs and we decided that we all want to get into the industrial field.
We're all happy now.
I went to college and couldnt get anywhere with a degree (like many others).
So my dad told me "why won't you go out into a plant and learn a trade".
My close friends were in the same boat as me. Working dead in jobs and we decided that we all want to get into the industrial field.
We're all happy now.
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 2:33 pm
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