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re: LSU total Offense Ranks in SEC since 2005

Posted on 12/13/14 at 5:19 pm to
Posted by boxcar willie
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Posted on 12/13/14 at 5:19 pm to
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He has one great year with experienced players


not only were they experienced they were exceptionally talented and all starting in the NFL the following year. We can't count on the stars aligning like that very often. Have to learn to work with average to good talent also (like Auburn does and the rest of the SEC does other than Bama). But yes it was a pretty good offense. Tied for 3rd in the SEC in yards per play and 7th in total offense. That's pretty solid. What could have been.
Posted by boxcar willie
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Posted on 12/13/14 at 5:27 pm to
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Sometimes you have to do the best you can with what you have


that's all you can ask for and what I was hoping to see out of Cam. He failed miserably this year. (last year he failed also in that he didn't do the best with what he had but the offense wasn't a failure, not with that talent.) The best thing you can do with a young QB and young recievers is put them in positions where they can be successful and develop confidence. The direct opposite of what Cam did.
Posted by Mulerider
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 12/13/14 at 5:35 pm to
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Using this argument, the 2007 offense was better than the 2013 quad. If you got to pick, which one would you rather have?


Easy, the one that won the NC, duh!!

Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 12/13/14 at 5:44 pm to
one thing I just noticed about the end all be all stat regarding yards per play for the 2013 offense. It finished tied for 3rd in the SEC west out of 7 teams. LSU's offense also finished 5th out of 7 in the SEC west in total offense. So it was average for the division we play in. I wouldn't consider Mett, OBJ, Juice and Hill, who were at the peak of their college careers and NFL starters the following year, merely average talents even compared to the rest of the SEC west.
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 12/13/14 at 6:59 pm to
Speculating some here, but our bowl game without Mett we had 4.0 yards per play.

I wonder where we'd stand without that game bringing our average down. This assumes, of course, that one is willing to accept the notion that Jennings should be discounted when considering stats. I know most critics arent that kind.
Posted by JaxTiger10
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2014
3893 posts
Posted on 12/13/14 at 7:19 pm to
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Even with the crappy scheme we ran we still finished 7th in the country in yards per play and 7th in the SEC in total offense. 



Youre stupid and dont know shite about football.
Posted by JaxTiger10
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2014
3893 posts
Posted on 12/13/14 at 7:23 pm to
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It finished tied for 3rd in the SEC west out of 7 teams

Just because other sec west teams had prolific offenses, DOESNT MEAN LSU'S WASNT.
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. LSU's offense also finished 5th out of 7 in the SEC west in total offense

its like youre too dumb to insult. This is the last time ill say this. When LSU'S offense snapped the ball,there were only 11 teams out of 126 that were more successful at gaining yards.if thats no elite to you, then you dont understand football,Period
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 12/13/14 at 8:06 pm to
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Using this argument, the 2007 offense was better than the 2013 quad. If you got to pick, which one would you rather have?


I'd rather have 2007. Nobody shut them down. Their lowest point total (in regulation) was 27 points at Kentucky. They never really had a bad game.

2013 was shut down and committed three turnovers in the first half against a 3rd-string Ole Miss defense, did basically nothing in the second half against Alabama, was held to 17 by Florida and looked really bad against Iowa. They were great at times, but inconsistent. 2007 was much more consistent.
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 12/13/14 at 9:55 pm to
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its like youre too dumb to insult. This is the last time ill say this.


just because I don't agree with your stupid one stat be all argument is no reason for name calling. In my opinion, and I'm sure many others, you are stupid, but I'm not going to go on a message board and say it. I'm going to say this one last time, it doesn't matter how we compare to the San Jose States, North Texas, Rutgers and Virgina Techs of the football landscape, we compete in the western division of the SEC and those are the teams we have to beat to make it to the SEC championship game. We have to compete on the level with Alabama, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Auburn, and the Mississippi schools. Those are the teams we have to be better than. Compared to them, even with our overall superior and very experienced offense talent that year, Statistically we compared averagely in a year when we should have been head and shoulders above the rest of the west. It's the scheme. There is a reason no other teams in the SEC run it and probably no one else in college football and certainly not the NFL. The idea that you have to establish the run before you can pass and it's JUST about manning up and imposing your will and that nothing else matters on offense is a losing strategy. Maybe Bama could get away with it if they chose to do it due to their great o-lines and overall talent level year in year out, but even they have enough sense to know there is a better and more effective way to run a offense.
This post was edited on 12/13/14 at 10:14 pm
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 12/13/14 at 10:20 pm to
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JaxTiger10
and chilgel1

I'm done with ya'll. you are both stupid and don't know shite about football and to stupid to insult. I don't like going there on a message board because I believe in conversation and opposing view points but apparently you guys don't look at it like that so frick off.
Posted by JaxTiger10
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2014
3893 posts
Posted on 12/14/14 at 1:32 am to
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Compared to them, even with our overall superior and very experienced offense talent that year, Statistically we compared averagely

again, no we werent. Only 11 teams in all cfb was more successful when they ran a play.ive explained numerous times that our total offense will be low because lsu was 105th in plays ran.

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r when we should have been head and shoulders above the rest of the west. 

Bama( AJ Mccarron, TJ Yeldon, Drake, Derrick Henry, amd Amari cooper)had just as much offensive talent as LSU.
TeX A&M was also stocked full of NFL talent( JManziel was on of the best playmakers in sec history, Mike Evans, and top lineman. Stop acting like LSU was the only offense with talent.

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It's the scheme. There is a reason no other teams in the SEC run it and probably no one else in college football and certainly not the NFL

Wow. Youre proving your lack of football knowledge with that quote. no matter how many times you say Bama and FsU and lsu dont run the same scheme, DOESNT MAKE IT TRUE. .
Lsu AND bama both run a pro style offense. Bama runs out of the I formation JUST like lsu except their i formation has an offset fb while ours is a traditional i formation.stop saying that lsu and Bama dont run the same scheme because it makes you look stupid to people that understand football.
Posted by JaxTiger10
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2014
3893 posts
Posted on 12/14/14 at 1:37 am to
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just because I don't agree with your stupid one stat be all argument is no reason for name calling


Youre right bro, i shouldnt have called you stupid.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 12/14/14 at 7:10 am to
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When LSU'S offense snapped the ball,there were only 11 teams out of 126 that were more successful at gaining yards


Then how in the world did we lose 4 games??????

BTW Are you counting the mega yards we got against the creampuffs we played???? Take those yards out and then add your stats up against the teams we played that had a pulse..........
Posted by rbdallas
Dallas, TX
Member since Nov 2007
10340 posts
Posted on 12/14/14 at 7:53 am to
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I assume that is conference rank and not national. I would suggest you use the national ranking if you really want to make your point.


+1 also,
break down
RUSHING O rankings and PASSING O rankings
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16037 posts
Posted on 12/14/14 at 8:54 am to
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. no matter how many times you say Bama and FsU and lsu dont run the same scheme, DOESNT MAKE IT TRUE. .


if you can't see the difference between LSU's and Bama's offense then I don't know what to tell you. Everyone else can see it.

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our total offense will be low because lsu was 105th in plays ran.


Do don't think our OC would like to run more plays. You act like it's a good thing to run less plays than your opponent,
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 12/14/14 at 12:13 pm to
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Then how in the world did we lose 4 games??????


Worst defense since 2008
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
203852 posts
Posted on 12/14/14 at 12:15 pm to
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Worst defense since 2008





Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 12/14/14 at 12:24 pm to
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if you can't see the difference between LSU's and Bama's offense then I don't know what to tell you. Everyone else can see it.


We have to hide our young QB. They can give the ball to their seasoned QB. There's your difference.

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Do don't think our OC would like to run more plays. You act like it's a good thing to run less plays than your opponent,


Some coaches, like Gus Malzhan and Kevin Sumlin, prefer to run fast-paced. Others, like Brett Bielema and Mark Dantonio prefer to ground it out and work the clock. Neither is superior to the other. Fast Teams typically gain moe yards on offense and allow more yards on defense. Slow Teams typically gain fewer yards on offense and allow fewer yards on defense.

If an offense gains 400 yards in five drives, consisting of 5, 80 yards plays, is the offense worse than one that gains 400 yards in five drives, consisting of 50, 8 yard plays?

Or is the offense that averages 80 yards per play better than the offense that averages 8 yards per play?
This post was edited on 12/14/14 at 12:30 pm
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 12/14/14 at 12:28 pm to
Yeah, I'm sure you were laughing when we gave up 44 points to Georgia, 27 to Ole Miss, and 38 to Bama....
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
203852 posts
Posted on 12/14/14 at 12:31 pm to
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Yeah, I'm sure you were laughing when we gave up 44 points to Georgia, 27 to Ole Miss, and 38 to Bama....


I was talking about THIS year....
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