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re: So was Garner put in a choke hold or not?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:45 am to meauxjeaux2
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:45 am to meauxjeaux2
Negligent Homicide
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Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:45 am to Tigerstudent08
quote:what? WTF are you talking about? Nobody has any idea what they're spewing here.It's pathetic.
Yes he was for a minimum of 13 seconds
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:45 am to meauxjeaux2
quote:
you conveniently keep leaving out the other details that led to his death. I mean,over and over and over again. In every thread. You have an agenda it's obvious.
When you address the fact that the fluffy bunny hold was the proximate cause of his death, we can discuss everything else.
Was he breaking the law? Yes
Did he resist arrest? Yes
Does that give carte blanche approval for cops to do whatever they want? Cops (friends and family) seem to say yes. I say no.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:46 am to TOKEN
quote:you know what? I probably wouldn't have an issue with that TBH. I don't think his death was intentional but i do believe Garner contributed way more to his own demise than what is being bantered about on this site.
Negligent Homicide
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:47 am to the808bass
quote:you are the one blatantly leaving out facts and stating the hold as the one and only cause for his death. Give me a break dude.
When you address the fact that the fluffy bunny hold was the proximate cause of his death, we can discuss everything else.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:48 am to meauxjeaux2
quote:
quote: Negligent Homicide you know what? I probably wouldn't have an issue with that TBH.
That's what a bunch of people are arguing for. What are you arguing exactly?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:49 am to meauxjeaux2
No. I didn't state the hold was the only reason for his death. It was, to be clear, the cause of death on the ME's report. The report said homicide. That cannot be danced around.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:50 am to the808bass
quote:see the title of the OP. That's it. I've allowed you people to slightly divert me away from the OP and i'll take fault for that.
That's what a bunch of people are arguing for. What are you arguing exactly?
I tried my hardest to stick to the OP.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:50 am to the808bass
quote:
Was he breaking the law? Yes
Did he resist arrest? Yes
Does that give carte blanche approval for cops to do whatever they want? Cops (friends and family) seem to say yes. I say no.
Agreed. The cops used deadly force in a situation that was not threatening their lives. That man should be alive today.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:51 am to mtntiger
quote:that severely obese man was already breathing heavily before a hand was laid on him and probably would have dropped dead after signing his summons had he done so.
That man should be alive today.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:53 am to DelU249
I believe that the civil rights leaders in America completely botched this whole situation. They would have been much better served to pick this case over Ferguson. I also believe instead of making the issue about race relations, it could have been about the war on drugs. Garner was arrested multiple times, but for non-violent crimes. He did not deserve to be treated this way.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:54 am to meauxjeaux2
quote:
quote: That man should be alive today. that severely obese man was already breathing heavily before a hand was laid on him and probably would have dropped dead after signing his summons had he done so.
The ME disagrees.
Eta: the cavalier attitude that you display towards the taking of a life doesn't help your argument.
This post was edited on 12/4/14 at 9:55 am
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:56 am to the808bass
quote:the ME said he had heart disease,asthma and several other things that contributed to his death as well.
The ME disagrees.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:56 am to meauxjeaux2
The ME said it was a homicide. Not an asthma attack. You refuse to admit it. But that's the fact.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:57 am to the808bass
quote:because i don't think anyone took anyones life. He put his own life in his own hands and paid the price.
Eta: the cavalier attitude that you display towards the taking of a life doesn't help your argument.
Ever get that warning on the news to not get out and drive on iced over roads? Yet you see all the time people put their own lives in their own hands and risk it.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:58 am to meauxjeaux2
Choke Hold vs Head Lock
Can we call this a head lock?
I just read the differences.
Can we call this a head lock?
I just read the differences.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:59 am to i drink the kool aid
quote:
So was Garner put in a choke hold or not?
I believe that the civil rights leaders in America completely botched this whole situation. They would have been much better served to pick this case over Ferguson. I also believe instead of making the issue about race relations, it could have been about the war on drugs. Garner was arrested multiple times, but for non-violent crimes. He did not deserve to be treated this way.
All of this. Was a man selling untaxed cigarettes worth a physical the cops actions? Not at all.
Write him a summons, if he doesn't show up for court the judge issues a warrant and then there is a reason to get physical.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:59 am to the808bass
quote:Capital punishment is also homicide.
The ME said it was a homicide.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:00 am to meauxjeaux2
quote:
because i don't think anyone took anyones life. He put his own life in his own hands and paid the price. Ever get that warning on the news to not get out and drive on iced over roads? Yet you see all the time people put their own lives in their own hands and risk it.
H-o-m-i-c-i-d-e.
quote:
[hom-uh-sahyd, hoh-muh-] noun 1. the killing of one human being by another.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:00 am to LSU0358
quote:please stop this bullshite. It's crazy talk. Things did not get physical because of illegal cigarettes.
All of this. Was a man selling untaxed cigarettes worth a physical the cops actions? Not at all.
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