re: Rams won't apologize...

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There are maybe 2 birthers on this board.

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Please.

I'll be very specific about what qualifies you as a birther:

if you think Obama is a secret muslim

if you think Obama's "real" birth certificate has been hidden/tampered with/never existed/etc.

if you believe Obama was born in Africa


You're nuts if you think there are only 2 people on here that think any of those things.

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if you think Obama is a secret muslim

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There are far more liberals on this board that think Obama is a secret atheist than conservatives that actually believe he is a muslim. The problem with liberals is you have no comprehension of humor.

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You're nuts if you think there are only 2 people on here that think any of those things.

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There might be less than 2. Especially of the regular posters. Your desperate deflection is noted.

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Having a trial with evidence out in the open does a lot to calm people down and help them believe that justice has been done, even if they disagree with the outcome.

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Do you understand what a grand jury indictment is?

So you think it is fair to violate the rights of a police officer just to appease idiots who are unhappy with the decision of a jury of their peers?

All the evidence was given out, which is the funniest thing in all of this. The DA made sure that everything was released so people couldn't bitch.

It is sad and a shame that the young man was killed, but ruining another life just to give a mob some satisfaction is pathetic and weak. Either you respect Wilson's rights or your don't. Clearly, you don't AlaTiger, and I am a freaking liberal and can see through you.

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The city would never allow that.

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Why?

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The forensic evidence apparently proves that Brown didn't have his hands up when he was shot and that is why the veracity of the witnesses who testified Brown had his hands up when he was shot has been totally discredited.

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Not to mention that many of their initial statements differed from their statements in court, thus rendering their credibility shot. It is always funny when people give one statement to the cops, and then all of a sudden change their statements in court to fit a media-based version of the events.

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Oh, it couldn't be possible that those witnesses who testified they saw Brown with his hands up are cop haters who would lie in order to make it appear like a white police officer murdered an innocent black man.

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16 witnesses said his hands up
2 said he didn't.

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The forensic evidence apparently proves that Brown didn't have his hands up

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my understanding is it doesn't say. It says he wasnt shot in the back but what I read said it couldn't say one way or another.

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Oh, it couldn't be possible that those witnesses who testified they saw Brown with his hands up are cop haters who would lie in order to make it appear like a white police officer murdered an innocent black man.

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Right, 20 - 30 people all came up with the plot.

People have different perceptions and view the same things through different prisms and come out with different versions of events. It's rare when deposing witnesses when two versions match. In fact it's almost never. Doesn't mean they're lying (although many do).

Why did Wilson change his story? He initially told his supervisor that he didn't know about the cigar robbery. He later changed his story and said he heard the call and suspected them:

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At that time, the supervisor said:'He [Wilson] did not know anything about the stealing call.'

When pressed by the attorney questioning him, the officer reiterated that Wilson, 'did not know anything'.

Asked, 'He told you he didn't know about there being a stealing at Ferguson Market?'

The officer responded, 'Correct.'

Nor did he make any mention of reversing his police car back towards the youths.

In fact the squad supervisor stated that, in several subsequent conversations, Wilson said 'he did not have that call.'

Yet two hours after speaking to his supervisor, 28-year-old Wilson gave a very different account to the St Louis County Police detective assigned to conduct a cursory interview with the cop.

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Read more: LINK
So why lie?

Here's another lie:

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In his interview with the St Louis County detective Wilson recalled Brown handing something to Dorian Johnson and saying something like, 'Here take these.' But he said he could not see what was handed.
By the time officer Wilson gave his account to the FBI agent assigned to interview him on 28 August his power of recall had grown ever more impressive.
The Federal agent told the Grand Jury that Wilson stated, 'He heard over the radio a call for a stealing in progress…He heard it was at a market, he didn't hear which one and he heard a description over the radio saying the subjects were walking towards the QuikTrip, stole Cigarillos and one subject was wearing a black shirt.

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Why did Wilson change his story, at least twice?

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The forensic evidence apparently proves that Brown didn't have his hands up when he was shot and that is why the veracity of the witnesses who testified Brown had his hands up when he was shot has been totally discredited.

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You mean to tell me the entire time this took place Wilson was riddling him with bullets? Because the autopsy only indicates where his body parts were at the time the bullets hit. When he stopped running away and turned around, he could have had his hands up then. In fact, that's when witnesses say he did. It wasn't until Brown started "rushing" Wilson that he started shooting like he was playing a damned video game.

I've stayed out of these threads b/c it's way way too racial in up in these parts. Frankly IMO if Brown had been white, many of these so called Libertarians would be irate. Because Wilson is the typical dumbfrick a-hole cop that everyone hates. But the victim was a "thug" so no care.

So here's my one and only evaluation... I think the cop is both an a-hole and a pussy. A white cop driving around a black neighborhood in a majority black town with an almost all white police force doesn't need to be driving around barking orders. There he was an arse.

He could have accomplished his goal by speaking to the two young men nonconfrontationally:

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"Hey guys what's going on? Those are some sweet shoes you got there? Hey can ya'll do me a favor a walk on the sidewalk? If some old blind lady drives down here and runs you over, it's me who will have to tell your mama. Aight take care."

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The two obviously had a verbal escalation, Wilson tried to get out of his car, Brown shut the door on him, Wilson got pissed and went for his gun, Brown reached in to stop him, struggle ensued, shots were fired.

Here's Wilson:

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"When I look up after that, I see him start, clouds of dust behind him. I then get out of my car. As I'm getting out of the car, I tell dispatch, 'Shots fired, send me more cars.' We start running."

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Now You have no back up, only your gun. Brown has shown he reacts violently when confronted. He said Brown was so much bigger and looked like a demon. And he's running away. So by chasing this man whose crime was an overreaction from Wilson being a dick in the first place, the writing is on the wall. He has no mace, no taser, no partner, only his gun and an unarmed man.

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Brown stops and turns toward Wilson before Wilson fires

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Now here I think something was said which set Brown to do a very irrational thing here, similar to the slamming the door on Wilson initially and struggle for the gun. Whatever Wilson is saying, his "bedside manor" is crap. He couldn't talk himself out of a wet paper bag.

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"As he is coming towards me, I tell, keep telling him to get on the ground. He doesn't. I shoot a series of shots. I don't know how many I shot. ... It looked like he was almost bulking up to run through the shots, like it was making him mad that I'm shooting at him."

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Here Wilson shows he's a pussy. A man comes towards me as if he's about to charge me, I shoot once, twice at the most and I stop him. I shoot him in the balls, in the legs. But look where Wilson shoots him:

I mean WTF?!?

Check out why he did the final kill shot to the top of the head:

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"And he had started to lean forward as he got that close, like he was going to just tackle me, just go right through me. ... And when he gets about that 8 to 10 feet away, I look down. I remember looking at my sights and firing. All I see is his head, and that's what I shot."

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Brown is 6 foot 4. That's 6 feet and 4 inches. He's 8 - 10 feet away. He sees the top of the head of a 6 feet 4 inch man and he thinks he's about ready to tackle him? He's already shot him 5 times, once in the eye. Brown is clearly on all fours here or close to it. He's in absolutely no condition to charge a man 8-10 feet away after being shot 5 times including once in the eye.

Do I think it's murder? No. Manslaughter? No. But he handled himself about on the same level as that retard Zimmerman did.

Were Brown and Trayvon wrong? Of course. But Zimmerman had no business, untrained, playing Barney Fife and Wilson should be and act like a professional. Nothing he did was professional.

The End.

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Why did Wilson change his story?

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He later changed his story and said he heard the call and suspected them

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Really bad Vegas. Really bad.

There is a difference between seeking the truth and making an aggressive case, VB.

I do HATE the way lawyers are allowed to argue in these scenarios. Their arguments are allowed at times with ZERO basis in truth. Especially in civil suits. Absolutely sucks!