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Can the next president sign an executive order to end abortion?
Posted on 11/21/14 at 6:28 pm
Posted on 11/21/14 at 6:28 pm
Heard this on the radio while driving around. Since Obama isn't clarifying an existing law dealing with immigration, and basically making new laws, as he claims," the House won't give me a bill", can the next president if so inclined sign an executive order to end abortion? Or can the next president simply sign untold executive orders to get his will when that of congress is against his wishes?
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Posted on 11/21/14 at 6:30 pm to Revelator
Only if he is a member of the he man woman hater club
Posted on 11/21/14 at 6:40 pm to Revelator
Why not? Just give Congress a predetermined amount of time to write the bill you want, and then make an EO "just like US Presidents have done for 70 yearzzz."
Posted on 11/21/14 at 6:41 pm to Revelator
I was thinking more along the lines of selectively enforcing federal firearms laws by executive order.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 6:46 pm to TheFolker
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I was thinking more along the lines of selectively enforcing federal firearms laws by executive order.
That's too timid. Abolish the IRS, EPA, and sell drilling leases in Yosemite to Haliburton.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 6:47 pm to Revelator
No because that would be enforcing a law that doesn't exist.
A better comparison would be to say the next president could just choose not to prosecute marijuana offenders. Its a law on the books, but the president would use his 'discretion' to not enforce.
Maybe give them some extra housing allowance along the way or something.
A better comparison would be to say the next president could just choose not to prosecute marijuana offenders. Its a law on the books, but the president would use his 'discretion' to not enforce.
Maybe give them some extra housing allowance along the way or something.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 6:49 pm to Revelator
The problem with that line of thinking is that Obama, and the Democrats in Washington, know that a Republican president would never do that. So they can push the unitary executive, they so decried under W, even further without fear of the GOP doing the same.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 7:07 pm to Revelator
He can't frame it as ending abortion, it is granting amnesty to unborn fetuses.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 7:23 pm to PsychTiger
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He can't frame it as ending abortion, it is granting amnesty to unborn fetuses.
Winning!!
Posted on 11/21/14 at 7:39 pm to Revelator
No, but he (or she) might be able to issue an executive order that says no exchange plans are allowed to cover abortion. We've already set a precedent that the executive branch is allowed to pick and choose what our health insurance covers. And the exchange aspect of such an order would use the "if you don't like it don't take federal money" argument.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 7:57 pm to Bestbank Tiger
Couldn't he also instruct his DoJ not to investigate/prosecute alleged Hate Crimes, Civil Rights violations, violations of the speech laws regarding abortion clinics, violence against women act, the list goes on and on.
Wouldn't those all be "Prosecutorial Discretion"?
Wouldn't those all be "Prosecutorial Discretion"?
Posted on 11/21/14 at 8:01 pm to PsychTiger
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He can't frame it as ending abortion, it is granting amnesty to unborn fetuses.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 8:39 pm to redandright
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Couldn't he also instruct his DoJ not to investigate/prosecute alleged Hate Crimes, Civil Rights violations, violations of the speech laws regarding abortion clinics, violence against women act, the list goes on and on.
Wouldn't those all be "Prosecutorial Discretion"?
Good point. It would be a simple matter of ordering the DoJ to defer jurisdiction to the state and local authorities. Which is the correct action from a Constitutional standpoint anyway. The Constitution grants very limited police powers to the feds--it's limited to a handful of specific offenses like bribery and treason. The broadest possible interpretation is civil right abuses by government agents (14th Amendment/appropriate legislation/Privileges and Immunities).
Posted on 11/21/14 at 8:55 pm to Revelator
I think you didn't get the fullness of the conversation.
He could sign an E.O. stating that no federal agents would stop protestors at abortion clinics.
Je could also sign an E.O. that stated all tax payers didn't have to pay taxes anymore and that he wasn't going to allow the IRS Ato go after tax breakers.
It is never ending.
He could sign an E.O. stating that no federal agents would stop protestors at abortion clinics.
Je could also sign an E.O. that stated all tax payers didn't have to pay taxes anymore and that he wasn't going to allow the IRS Ato go after tax breakers.
It is never ending.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 8:57 pm to LSUnation78
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No because that would be enforcing a law that doesn't exist.
A better comparison would be to say the next president could just choose not to prosecute marijuana offenders. Its a law on the books, but the president would use his 'discretion' to not enforce.
No. He is also issuing work permits. That crosses into law creation, not just enforcement discretion. If he just said "we won't deport them," you would be correct. That's not all this EO is.
The mj analogy would fit if the President who ordered non-enforcement for possession also gave the people some herb seeds.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:13 pm to son of arlo
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Abolish the IRS, EPA, and sell drilling leases in Yosemite to Haliburton.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:19 pm to Revelator
No, the next president could not do that.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:24 pm to Roger Klarvin
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No, the next president could not do that.
And why not? What about all the little," dreamers" in their mothers wounds dreaming to simply survive?
This post was edited on 11/21/14 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:26 pm to Revelator
Could he writes an EO refusing to prosecute violations of the 14th amendment?
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:30 pm to Revelator
Apparently he could but it would make him a lawless, un-American POS.
This post was edited on 11/21/14 at 9:33 pm
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