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re: Because of Ferguson I ask again: Why don't we have cameras on police uniforms?

Posted on 11/21/14 at 1:49 pm to
Posted by taylork37
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 11/21/14 at 1:49 pm to
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He didn't suggest this.


So what is he suggesting?
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 11/21/14 at 1:51 pm to
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Police officers have privacy rights too.


While they're on duty?

I work on a company provided computer. I can expect no reasonable right to privacy while I am using it.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70932 posts
Posted on 11/21/14 at 1:51 pm to
He's suggesting that there could be proof of their unlawful behavior.

Ya know, from the camera footage.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40190 posts
Posted on 11/21/14 at 1:51 pm to
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I'm too much of a wuss for that...I just like to see the wagging penises.


so no helicopter?
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
109032 posts
Posted on 11/21/14 at 1:53 pm to
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Are police actively against cameras?


Absolutely

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Seems more like an issue of funding and logistics.


This would have been an excuse, say, 10 years ago, this may have been a point, but thanks to civil forfeiture and our cops being militarized with over the top equipment they'd never need, like tanks and a land mine detecting droid. But now Gopros are around $100, and I assure you the government could make a personal camera on each uniform for a whole lot less than that.

One police department that did they found immediately that citizen's complaints went down by 86% in the first month that they were implemented. The thing is, cops can be assholes, and they're not likely going to threaten a citizen in some way if they know they are being recorded at all times.

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another thing to mount and power a camera on the officer and retrieving/archiving the footage. It can be done, but it's probably pretty expensive...


You do know that you're carrying something right now that can not only do this, but also surf the web, give you directions, make phone calls, send emails, give you weather updates, send messages, works as a calendar, an alarm clock, a photo album, has an entire music library, can intercept radio signals, carry books and newspapers, can be a translator, be a scanner, as well as do thousands of other things. How is this camera going to cost that much money? These frickers have way too much money to screw around with as it is, so spending about $50.00 on a recording device isn't shite.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
109032 posts
Posted on 11/21/14 at 1:56 pm to
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I guess it somehow violates the rights of the police officers? Police officers have privacy rights too.


I've got a company iPad that can track me at all times to make sure I do my job. They have every right to do this. It's not as if they have to wear it while walking around their houses in boxers.
Posted by NoHoTiger
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Posted on 11/21/14 at 2:01 pm to
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so no helicopter?

I consider this in the wagging family
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
14985 posts
Posted on 11/21/14 at 2:03 pm to
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So what is he suggesting?



That video documentation is a third-party unbiased source of events that transpire that would be useful to have when deciding whether or not to charge an officer who killed another man and claims it was in the line of duty.
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Posted on 11/21/14 at 2:25 pm to
Let's make a law that makes it against the law to break the law; no cameras needed.
Posted by Gulf Coast Tiger
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/21/14 at 2:39 pm to
I love having a camera in my car. We have two in our cars, one out front and one for the prisoners with mics. We have tried several different body cameras and haven't found one that fits yet.


The 2 main Problems we have came across are

Battery life
Cameras being broken during a fight

We have tried cameras in sunglasses, attached to the uniforms and on the shoulder. We are still experimenting with them. So far I like the sunglass one best, but battery life is the biggest issue. It is a issue that will be solved soon.

My guys that work for me LOVE having cameras in the car and want body cams. They love having the evidence on video.

I could see where crooked officers and less professional departments would be against it.
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 11/21/14 at 3:19 pm to
Good reply.
Posted by SnoopALoop
Nashville
Member since Apr 2014
4402 posts
Posted on 11/21/14 at 3:23 pm to
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Here's a question I'll ask again: why don't we all just obey the laws of this country?


Because randomly driving around at 11pm and being pulled over is breaking the law, right? Or how about being stopped by a cop for tires being too flat and an inspection sticker that isn't expired... but still given a warning.. that's breaking the law, right?

frick you and your love for pigs.
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Wtodd
Posted by Negative Nomad
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Posted on 11/21/14 at 3:33 pm to
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This post was edited on 1/14/16 at 7:36 pm
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40190 posts
Posted on 11/21/14 at 3:40 pm to
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I consider this in the wagging family


you can consider me chinook then
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
18928 posts
Posted on 11/21/14 at 4:14 pm to
It all sounds simple and all until you think beyond the initial equipping. Let me ask you this.

What do you do with the millions of hours of recorded data?

You can't give the police the ability to just delete it as they choose. That defeats the purpose. Think about how many hours of data just a mid sized agency like BRPD would amass. Think about a big agency.

Here's another one. You get burglarized and call the police. Do you want that officer recording and keeping images of the inside of your house? I don't.

There is no doubt some form of recording is coming but to say "it's $50 a camera-make it happen" is stupid.
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 11/21/14 at 4:43 pm to
Also good points.
Posted by HarryBalzack
Member since Oct 2012
15228 posts
Posted on 11/21/14 at 5:43 pm to
They do here. Anytime the office gets out of the car it starts recording. The camera in the cruiser records when he's still in the car.

My neighbor fought a ticket and not only got off but the judge chewed out the deputy for using fowl language during the encounter.
Posted by AintBigButItsPretty
Member since Mar 2011
942 posts
Posted on 11/21/14 at 6:04 pm to
Some departments have them and most have in car cameras. The body cameras are just getting to a decent price point. Also you need the server space and tech pros that can handle the content. Most small departments (most departments across the country are in fact tiny) don't have the manpower or budget for this. The cameras that will hold up day to day abuse are not cheap or easy to fix. It's slowly coming. Why doesn't your profession use that latest greatest technology (same reasons but your employer is most likely not under a tight gov budget).
Posted by DanTiger
Somewhere in Luziana
Member since Sep 2004
9480 posts
Posted on 11/21/14 at 7:22 pm to
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The cameras aren't that expensive.


Do you repair and maintain your own computer at work? If cameras were mandated every department would need to buy the cameras and create a new department to maintain, download, and monitor them. The cameras also will break often as police work is not a low impact job. It would not be cheap to cover all of the above and the taxpayer is the one who has to foot the bill. I would love to see every officer wear a body camera but I don't believe it is in the cards at this time.
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
51470 posts
Posted on 11/21/14 at 8:11 pm to
$300 to $400 per unit?

My city has a little over 400 officers. That would be over $120,000. Thats alot of money for a police department to spend. Alot of money when they are already getting killed by overtime.
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