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re: LSU's one dimensional offense (per Dandy Don)
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:09 pm to theknightswhosay
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:09 pm to theknightswhosay
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My point in this is we can run 9 plays out of 10, but we need to do so more creatively. We can run the wishbone for all I care, as long as it's not predictable.
Hallelujah, holy shite! Where's the tylenol!
It wouldn't hurt to run the ball out of a 3 or 4 wide shotgun set occasionally. Sometimes the mere threat of a pass will help open up a running lane.
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:09 pm to trooploop
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Cam deserves some criticism but he came in here last year and did a great job.
I just think he's coaching too much like an NFL coach. Sometimes we've needed a spark, and there was no real attempt to provide one. In the NFL, you don't need the emotional lift of running something a little more creative, and everyone doesn't get all depressed if you fall behind by 17 in the first half.
Crowton was the opposite. He would call goofy plays for no reason whatsoever, and sometimes we were more confused than the defense was.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:11 pm to Choupique19
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You answered this earlier last page on another topic when you said "you can't hope for NFL talent at qb, 2 wrs, and rb at one time". 2011 was and example of the offensive scheme fitting that "once in a lifetime defense and special teams units" that we had. Just because we won games a certain way in 2011, doesn't mean we have the personnel to try and win games the same way now.
That's fair enough, but I don't buy the idea that some schemes are winners and some are losers. And I don't buy the argument that you need NFL talent to competently fill out any scheme and/or field a competent offense. So I don't get all teh bitching about the scheme, other than the fact that people think its Les' branchild and they don't think it's pretty enough. Our problem is that offense often looks as though they haven't practiced or played together a day in their lives.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:12 pm to Navytiger74
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Rant logic, playa. And 22x per game is the same as never. Don't forget that one.
My favorite is that a lot of them want us to throw more against Mississippi - who just so happens leads all of FBS in INTs at 15, 3 of which returned for TDs while only allowing 3 passing TDs from opponents, and are currently ranked 3rd nationally in pass defense.
Ole Miss has returned as many INTs for TDs than passing TDs they have allowed.
Yeah, let's just start chucking the ball against that defense. LSU weakness versus Mississippi strength. It's like they don't even watch any games, or really follow football at all.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:13 pm to Choupique19
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You answered this earlier last page on another topic when you said "you can't hope for NFL talent at qb, 2 wrs, and rb at one time". 2011 was and example of the offensive scheme fitting tha
What NFL talent did we have at qb in 2011? Mett at 3rd string?
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:15 pm to Navytiger74
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So I don't get all teh bitching about the scheme,
I'm not anti-run first philosophy. I'm anti-run at all costs no matter how many people are in the box, we're going to be more man than you, just to prove a point offense.
I think it would help the entire offense out to have a little bit of diversity in the game plan.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:15 pm to trooploop
Misleading stat; Our line is veteran and that's what our offense boils down to.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:16 pm to Navytiger74
Mile's concept....
run, run, run, run,..when they are asleep, pass.
end of story.
We have virtually done away with TE passing (used some last game), I do not recall hardly, if any quick-slants, or moving screens.
it seems as if it is "all or none" when we pass.
If we continue, Bama will eat us up..they will ONCE AGAIN load the box and we will not have sufficient time to throw downfield.
We have plenty of speed that we could use in the interior-game.
run, run, run, run,..when they are asleep, pass.
end of story.
We have virtually done away with TE passing (used some last game), I do not recall hardly, if any quick-slants, or moving screens.
it seems as if it is "all or none" when we pass.
If we continue, Bama will eat us up..they will ONCE AGAIN load the box and we will not have sufficient time to throw downfield.
We have plenty of speed that we could use in the interior-game.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:18 pm to LSU-MNCBABY
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What NFL talent did we have at qb in 2011? Mett at 3rd string?
My point wasn't that we were loaded on offense in 2011, it was that our defense/special teams were so superior to our competition that we didn't have to put the games on the offenses shoulders. Les Miles scheme worked fine with that team. But we tried that same philosophy in 2014 against Wisconsin, Miss St, and Auburn and came out 1-2.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:19 pm to trooploop
Cam's QB progressions
Randle El -
RFr - 46.5%, 6 TD, 11 INT
Soph. 53.8%, 17 TDs, 7 INT
Brees (2nd year to 3rd year)
2nd yr. under Cam - 57.6%, 11 TD, 15 INT
3rd yr. under Cam - 65.5%, 27 TD, 7 INT (Pro Bowl)
Rivers
1st yr. as starter under Cam - 61.7, 22 TD, 9 INT
2nd yr. as starter under Cam - 60.2, 21 TD, 15 INT
3rd yr. as starter under Cam - 65.3, 34 TD, 11 INT
Flacco
1st yr. as starter under Cam - 60.0, 14 TD, 12 INT
2nd yr. as starter under Cam - 63.1, 21 TD, 12 INT
3rd yr. as starter under Cam - 62.6, 25 TD, 10 INT
Randle El -
RFr - 46.5%, 6 TD, 11 INT
Soph. 53.8%, 17 TDs, 7 INT
Brees (2nd year to 3rd year)
2nd yr. under Cam - 57.6%, 11 TD, 15 INT
3rd yr. under Cam - 65.5%, 27 TD, 7 INT (Pro Bowl)
Rivers
1st yr. as starter under Cam - 61.7, 22 TD, 9 INT
2nd yr. as starter under Cam - 60.2, 21 TD, 15 INT
3rd yr. as starter under Cam - 65.3, 34 TD, 11 INT
Flacco
1st yr. as starter under Cam - 60.0, 14 TD, 12 INT
2nd yr. as starter under Cam - 63.1, 21 TD, 12 INT
3rd yr. as starter under Cam - 62.6, 25 TD, 10 INT
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:21 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
No doubt but I kept having flashbacks to 2012 when mett would be on target but Landry and Odell would drop. Look at the difference a year made. Every mistake I see makes me look forward to when this team has experience to tack onto the talent.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:24 pm to Choupique19
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I'm not anti-run first philosophy. I'm anti-run at all costs no matter how many people are in the box, we're going to be more man than you, just to prove a point offense.
I think it would help the entire offense out to have a little bit of diversity in the game plan.
Well I'll agree 100% with you and theknightswhosay that we need more creativity and less predictability. But our major problem is execution.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:26 pm to Navytiger74
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:32 pm to trooploop
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Randle El -
RFr - 46.5%, 6 TD, 11 INT
Soph. 53.8%, 17 TDs, 7 INT
Those aren't really guru type numbers. JJ was better as a true sophomore with no QB coaching. Some progression is almost bound to happen.
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Brees (2nd year to 3rd year)
2nd yr. under Cam - 57.6%, 11 TD, 15 INT
3rd yr. under Cam - 65.5%, 27 TD, 7 INT (Pro Bowl)
I'd debate the merits of comparing a HoF QB's progression with any college prospect.
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Rivers
1st yr. as starter under Cam - 61.7, 22 TD, 9 INT
2nd yr. as starter under Cam - 60.2, 21 TD, 15 INT
3rd yr. as starter under Cam - 65.3, 34 TD, 11 INT
Flacco
1st yr. as starter under Cam - 60.0, 14 TD, 12 INT
2nd yr. as starter under Cam - 63.1, 21 TD, 12 INT
3rd yr. as starter under Cam - 62.6, 25 TD, 10 INT
Those aren't really notable trends.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:35 pm to Navytiger74
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Rivers
1st yr. as starter under Cam - 61.7, 22 TD, 9 INT
2nd yr. as starter under Cam - 60.2, 21 TD, 15 INT
3rd yr. as starter under Cam - 65.3, 34 TD, 11 INT
Flacco
1st yr. as starter under Cam - 60.0, 14 TD, 12 INT
2nd yr. as starter under Cam - 63.1, 21 TD, 12 INT
3rd yr. as starter under Cam - 62.6, 25 TD, 10 INT
Those aren't really notable trends.
Not notable trends?
They went from a combined 36:21 TD:INT ratio his first year to 49:21 TD: INT ratio their third year. I'd say that's fairly notable and it sure as hell is better than trending the other direction.
This post was edited on 10/21/14 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:38 pm to trooploop
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They went from a combined 36:21 TD:INT ratio his first year to 49:21 TD: INT ratio their third year. I'd say that's fairly notable and it sure as hell is better than trending the other direction.
Fine. They are trends. They're somewhat notable (to the degree that they can be attributed purely to Cam, and not to experience). But they aren't eye-popping. Not trying to move the goalposts on you or anything.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:44 pm to Navytiger74
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Fine. They are trends. They're somewhat notable (to the degree that they can be attributed purely to Cam, and not to experience). But they aren't eye-popping. Not trying to move the goalposts on you or anything.
Of course they can't be attributed purely to Cam. With that said, he also hasn't had the QB busts and the NFL is littered with them. The growth of Cam's QBs historically doesn't have me in a complete panic about this year's group like it does some people.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:46 pm to trooploop
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The growth of Cam's QBs historically doesn't have me in a complete panic about this year's group like it does some people.
We'll see, brother. I sure hope you're right. I'm just not sold on Cam right now. And I'm not in a panic, but the QB play this year has been surprisingly bad. There's no way you can say with a straight face that you expected it.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:50 pm to Navytiger74
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We'll see, brother. I sure hope you're right. I'm just not sold on Cam right now. And I'm not in a panic, but the QB play this year has been surprisingly bad. There's no way you can say with a straight face that you expected it.
I thought the offense would be more diverse and more open. I think Jennings is what he is, which is a game manager who can win a heckuva lot of games as his year progresses. Like most, I certainly think Harris has a higher upside and is more dynamic. I actually think he's played pretty darn well this season. It's just hard not to get the Auburn debacle out of everyone's minds but he's played pretty darn good football for stretches.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:51 pm to Choupique19
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It wouldn't hurt to run the ball out of a 3 or 4 wide shotgun set occasionally. Sometimes the mere threat of a pass will help open up a running lane.
This is what drives me nuts.. I get it...Les gets a chubby running the ball...fine! But why not run out of some different formations MORE OFTEN?
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