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re: Have we talked about the squib kick from our own 20 with 44 seconds left?
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:01 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:01 pm to lsupride87
I have to say I really enjoyed reading these last three pages.
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:02 pm to LSU Groupee
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If you cant see the different spacing of Kentucky players in those two formations, you are blind.
Well that is two different teams variations. If you cant be honest enough to say the spacing and concept is the exact same then I am wasting my timePosted on 10/21/14 at 12:02 pm to Pauldean
quote:No problem. I love your cooking by the way
I have to say I really enjoyed reading these last three pages.
This post was edited on 10/21/14 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:04 pm to Pauldean
Anybody have some cliffs on this?
how could it go 9 pages?
obviously they wanted to prevent the big return end of thread....right?
how could it go 9 pages?
obviously they wanted to prevent the big return end of thread....right?
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:06 pm to lsupride87
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And there you go again. We already found out who the dumb frick is Just argue your point like an adult. The rant is becoming unbearabl
OK so I went back and looked, you were calling someone what they called you, which I didn't realize, but it kind of kills your point that you shouldn't bring name calling into arguments. But I do apologize.
I won't apologize for the Rex comment however.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:10 pm to lsupride87
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Well that is two different teams variations
I'm just scanning the thread, but wouldn't it make more sense to compare Kentucky's alignment on that play to their normal alignment, instead of to LSU's? Or did I miss that screenshot?
Also, the ball had already been kicked and players were moving in one of the pictures.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:11 pm to lsupride87
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If you cant be honest enough to say the spacing and concept is the exact same then I am wasting my time
And if you cant even admit Kentucky had a greater area to have its players cover with us KO from the 20 as opposed to the 35, you are both stupid and dishonest.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:14 pm to thelawnwranglers
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obviously they wanted to prevent the big return end of thread....right?
You would think. But there was some coach bashing to start and petty arguing the past few pages.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:17 pm to lsupride87
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I disagree 110% that he thought this was a possibility
This is always a possibility when the ball isn't booted away. This is certainly not the only time this has happened fellas.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:17 pm to LSU Groupee
quote:Nope. The only extra area was over the kick returners heads, which i have said from the beginning
And if you cant even admit Kentucky had a greater area to have its players cover with us KO from the 20 as opposed to the 35, you are both stupid and dishonest.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:22 pm to lsupride87
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Yeh, over their heads which has absolutely 0.000000% baring on anythin
And this isn't true either. You have space behind you that you need to cover, and any hesitation could cause a miscue ie not getting up to the ball in time.
I hate to argue every little point, but to call this play a coaching mistake is just ridiculous. There are so many factors at play here.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:23 pm to OceanMan
quote:If you are on the 15 yard line, the worst that can happen is it get s over your head by a miraculous superman kick, and it is a touchback
And this isn't true either. You have space behind you that you need to cover, and any hesitation could cause a miscue ie not getting up to the ball in time.
ETA: Unless kentuckys players are like sharks and they cant move backwards
This post was edited on 10/21/14 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:36 pm to OceanMan
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I hate to argue every little point, but to call this play a coaching mistake is just ridiculous.
It's amusing to what degree some will go to find something to be critical of in a 41-3 SEC blow out win.
It was a play call by the staff which surprised Kent., that was executed to perfection by the players, and resulted in points going into 1/2 time.
How such a positive play can be picked apart by some for 10 pages is truly amazing in a Negative Nancy type of way.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:54 pm to Rex
to prevent a return. How is that not obvious?
Ohhh...its Rex..he fashions himself some sort of super genius who would have won 3 championships by now instead of just a miserable negatiger.
Ohhh...its Rex..he fashions himself some sort of super genius who would have won 3 championships by now instead of just a miserable negatiger.
This post was edited on 10/21/14 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:01 pm to lsupride87
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If you are on the 15 yard line, the worst that can happen is it get s over your head by a miraculous superman kick, and it is a touchback
Our kickers routinely kick 75+ yard kicks, it wouldn't be miraculous, it would be common. They kick to the 1 by design, they can kick further, and do so often. On a regular kickoff, you are right, there is no risk if it goes over your head.
On a kick, your first instinct isn't to charge up, it is to step back, just like fielding a pop fly. Even though you don't believe the possibility is there that the ball lands between the goal line and 15, it is there, and that area is the back man's responsibility, so he has to respect that, while also being the safety for the next line up. Simply put, he can just charge up if the kick looks short because if he misjudges the speed and has to backtrack, the ball is certainly ours.
I know you are not actually dumb, you are clearly intelligent, I just don't understand what you don't get that there is more space to cover. We both know that's not even really the point here, so why so get so hung up on it.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:10 pm to OceanMan
quote:The returners are on the 15. Anything over their heads and before the goaline they will easily be able to catch. Easily. The kick would have to go 80 yards before they were able to cover 15, that is my point. Look how easily the players cover the 10 yards of the endzone depth
Our kickers routinely kick 75+ yard kicks, it wouldn't be miraculous, it would be common. They kick to the 1 by design, they can kick further, and do so often. On a regular kickoff, you are right, there is no risk if it goes over your head.
On a kick, your first instinct isn't to charge up, it is to step back, just like fielding a pop fly. Even though you don't believe the possibility is there that the ball lands between the goal line and 15, it is there, and that area is the back man's responsibility, so he has to respect that, while also being the safety for the next line up. Simply put, he can just charge up if the kick looks short because if he misjudges the speed and has to backtrack, the ball is certainly ours.
I know you are not actually dumb, you are clearly intelligent, I just don't understand what you don't get that there is more space to cover. We both know that's not even really the point here, so why so get so hung up on it.
This post was edited on 10/21/14 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:44 pm to OceanMan
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I know you are not actually dumb
Anyone arguing that the KO team will not have to be more spaced out whether they have be prepared to cover 70 yards or 55 yards is clearly dumb.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:44 pm to lsupride87
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The returners are on the 15. Anything over their heads and before the goaline they will easily be able to catch. Easily.
Let's pretend in this scenario, that the ball is not going over their head, but is instead kicked short and bouncing. If you are at the 15, and you charge forward at a ball that you judge will be at the 25, but then takes a bounce to put it somewhere beyond the 15. Regular kickoff, it is in the end zone, dead ball. In the penalty scenario, the ball now has a chance to be live for 15 more yards, which you are responsible for. If you rush the ball and misjudge its distance, its a live ball, so you hesitate until you are more sure of where it is heading.
You are competing against guys going full speed, a half second hesitation could literally equal 5-10 yards, that is a headstart you give them, because you are responsible for more area, and that area is within scoring distance.
Please tell me that you buy this logic.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:45 pm to LSU Groupee
quote:I already proved you wrong with pictures. Why are you continuing to argue that point?
Anyone arguing that the KO team will not have to be more spaced out whether they have be prepared to cover 70 yards or 55 yards is clearly dumb.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:47 pm to OceanMan
quote:Ok, I understand this particular scenario. And I will agree with it.
Let's pretend in this scenario, that the ball is not going over their head, but is instead kicked short and bouncing. If you are at the 15, and you charge forward at a ball that you judge will be at the 25, but then takes a bounce to put it somewhere beyond the 15. Regular kickoff, it is in the end zone, dead ball. In the penalty scenario, the ball now has a chance to be live for 15 more yards, which you are responsible for. If you rush the ball and misjudge its distance, its a live ball, so you hesitate until you are more sure of where it is heading.
My only argument about formation was that they were spaced the exact same as their normal formation. 
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