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re: Is Drew worth 20+ million????
Posted on 10/19/14 at 4:04 pm to MadMaxwell
Posted on 10/19/14 at 4:04 pm to MadMaxwell
NO...I dont know why some people feel the need to pay an athlete for what they did in the past.
I work in sales and would get laughed at if I went to my boss during a bad sales year and said " hey 4 years ago I was the best in our field at my job title. I deserve to still get paid like that even if I suck now.
I work in sales and would get laughed at if I went to my boss during a bad sales year and said " hey 4 years ago I was the best in our field at my job title. I deserve to still get paid like that even if I suck now.
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 4:06 pm to Sleazy E
Going to be some dark, dark days once he retires. Y'all will end up realizing that, some day.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 4:22 pm to lsuson
Too many babies.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 4:22 pm to lsuson
No one player is worth that much. He got paid on his past accomplishments which were substantial but it cripples a franchise.
This post was edited on 10/19/14 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 10/19/14 at 4:26 pm to redfish99
Get out of Nola u overpaid elf
Posted on 10/19/14 at 4:38 pm to lsuson
Would you have said tony Romo was over the past ten years? See what he's doing when he has some help?
Jerry making everyone look stupid.
Jerry making everyone look stupid.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 4:50 pm to SEClint
I'm tired of listening to people defend Brees because he won a super bowl that great, terrific I loved it but it's 5 years ago now and more and more he is costing this team wins with ill timed ill advised interceptions. Many of which are returned for touchdowns. He continually gets a pass. Im not trolling I'm not being a Saints hater it's just a problem that is continually over looked and the only fall back is " super bowl ". Last I checked it took a complete 53 man roster and grest coach to win a super bowl. No he isn't worth 20 million, no player is. The team needs to get younger and address problems with position coaches and play calling. Brees won't play until he's 45. He wont make it to 40. The position needs to be addressed in this coming draft to prepare for the end of Drews contract.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:39 pm to MadMaxwell
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You shouldn't. Brees is a poster boy for the NFLPA. It'll be a cold day in hell before he agrees to a pay cut.
Then he should be traded or cut. He's not worth the $26.4 million cap hit.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:54 pm to MadMaxwell
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You shouldn't. Brees is a poster boy for the NFLPA. It'll be a cold day in hell before he agrees to a pay cut.
Restructuring does not mean a pay cut
You guarantee his contract for a few more years while maintaining his level of pay at around $20 million.
He gets a nice chunk as a bonus up front, benefiting him greatly.
He's absolutely going to restructure this year and extend for probably an extra 2 seasons.
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Then he should be traded or cut. He's not worth the $26.4 million cap hit.
He's easily worth that cap hit if needed over starting a rookie QB. That isn't how it works though. Is Drew Brees worth $14 million or $11 million?
Because no on the team, traded, or cut, he's going to cost us $14 million in dead money. We would get a net $11 million in cap space, but then we'd have to pay another QB.
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:03 pm to Dunk47
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but it's 5 years ago now and more and more he is costing this team wins with ill timed ill advised interceptions. Many of which are returned for touchdowns. He continually gets a pass
He had a 105 Passer Rating last year with only a 1.8% interception rate LAST YEAR
That was last year, not 2009. He gets a "pass" because he's been a great QB for us since 2006.
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and the only fall back is " super bowl ".
I'll add a few more for you:
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National Football League records[edit]
Most consecutive games with at least 1 TD pass - 54[83]
Highest completion percentage, season – 71.2% (2011)
Most Seasons with 5,000+ passing yards - 4 (2008, 2011-2013)
Most completions in a season – 468 (2011)
Most 400+ completion seasons, career – 6 (2007-2008, 2010-2013)
Most consecutive 400+ completion seasons, career – 4 (2010-2013)
Most consecutive 350+ completion seasons, career – 8 (2006-2013)
Most consecutive seasons with 4,000+ passing yards – 8 (2006-2013)
Most consecutive seasons with 4,000+ passing yards and 30+ Touchdowns – 6, 2008-2013
Most consecutive seasons with 5,000+ passing yards – 3 (2011-2013)
Most consecutive seasons with 5,000+ passing yards and 30+ Touchdowns – 3, 2011-2013
Most games with 5+ touchdown passes, career – 8 (tied with Peyton Manning)
Most games with 5+ touchdown passes and no interceptions, career – 6
Most seasons with 70% pass completion rate (minimum 100 attempts per season) - 2 (2009 & 2011)
Most games with 30+ completions and 80% pass completion rate, career - 5
Most games with more than 80% pass completion rate, career (minimum 20 attempts per game) - 14
Most games with more than 80% pass completion rate and no interceptions, career (minimum 20 attempts per game) - 12
Most games with more than 80% pass completion rate, season (minimum 20 attempts per game) - 3 (tied with Ben Roethlisberger and Brett Favre)
Most games with more than 70% pass completion rate, season (minimum 20 attempts per game) - 10 (2011)
Most games with more than 70% pass completion rate and no interceptions, career (minimum 20 attempts per game) - 40
Most games, 250+ yards passing, season - 16 (2011)
Most 300+ yard passing games in a season – 13 (2011)
Most consecutive 300+ yard passing games – 9 (2011–2012, 2012-2013)
Most consecutive 300+ yard passing games (regular season and postseason combined)– 11 (2011-2012)
Most passing yards in first half of a regular season game — 346 (11/4/2007 vs. Jaguars)
Most games, 350+ yards passing, career - 42
Most games, 350+ yards passing, season - 8 (2011)
Most consecutive games with 350+ yards passing – 4 (Weeks 3,4,5,6; 2011)
Most passing yards in a season in away games - 2,852 (2011)
Most consecutive 400+ yard passing games - 2 (postseason games 2012) - tied with several other players
Most consecutive games with 450+ yards passing – 2 (postseason games 2012)
Most games with 400 yards passing and no interceptions, career - 9 combined (7 regular season, 2 postseason)
Most games with 20+ completions, season – 16 (2010-2012)
Most consecutive games with 20+ completions – 57 (2009–2013)[87]
Most consecutive games with 25+ completions - 11 (11/25/2012-10/06/2013)
Most games with 30+ completions, season – 9 (2011)
Most games with 30+ completions, career – 41
Most games with 30+ completions and no interceptions, career – 19
Most games with 39+ completions, career – 4 combined (2 regular season, 2 playoff games)
Most passing completions per game, career – 24.27 comp/game
Most passing attempts per game, career – 36.78 att/game
Most passing attempts per game, postseason- 42.27 att/game
Most passing yards per game, career – 276.03 yards/game
Most passing completions per game, season – 29.25 comp/game (2011)
Most passing completions per game, postseason - 27.82 comp/game
Highest post-season completion percentage, career – 65.8%
Lowest post-season interception percentage, career – 1.29%
Highest average passing yards per game in postseason- 321.73 (11 games)
Most completions in a Super Bowl – 32 (Super Bowl XLIV, tied with Tom Brady)[88]
Most completions in a playoff game – 40 (at San Francisco, 1/14/2012)
Most pass attempts in a playoff game with zero interceptions – 60 (at Seattle, 1/8/2011)[89]
Most pass completions in a playoff game with zero interceptions – 39 (at Seattle, 1/8/2011)[89]
Most passing yards in a playoff game with zero interceptions – 466 (vs. Detroit, 1/7/2012)
Most consecutive pass attempts without an interception during the playoffs – 226 (January 21, 2007 – January 14, 2012)
Most Consecutive Playoff Games, 2+ Touchdown Passes - 7 (2006 – 2012) (tied with Terry Bradshaw and Joe Montana)
Most Playoff Games, 400+ yards passing - 3 (2011–12; consecutive)
Most Consecutive Playoff Games, 450+ yards passing - 2 (2012)
Best Passing Touchdown to Interception ratio in postseason - 4-1 (24 TD Passes - 6 interceptions)
Best Completions to Interception ratio in postseason - 51-1 (306 Completions - 6 interceptions)
Best Passing Yards to Interception ratio in postseason - 589.83-1 (3,539 Passing Yards - 6 interceptions)
Best Passing Touchdown per Game Average, Postseason - 2.182 (24 TD Passes/11 postseason games)
Most consecutive postseason games with 30+ pass completions- 4 (2/7/2010–1/14/2012)
Fastest player to reach for 40,000 career passing yards-152 GP
Fastest player to reach for 50,000 career passing yards-183 GP
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New Orleans Saints franchise records[edit]
Postseason[edit]
Most Playoff Starts – 10
Most Playoff Wins by a Starting Quarterback - 6
Most Completions, Playoff Career - 275
Most Completions, Playoff Game - 40 at San Francisco, 1/14/2012 NFL Record
Most Pass Attempts, Playoff Career - 423
Most Pass Attempts, Playoff Game - 63 at San Francisco, 1/14/2012
Highest Completion Percentage, Playoff Career - 65.01%
Highest Completion Percentage, Playoff Game – 82.05% vs. Indianapolis, 2/7/2010
Most Passing Yards, Playoff Career - 3,220
Most Passing Yards, Playoff Game - 466 vs. Detroit, 1/7/2012
Most Touchdown Passes, Playoff Career - 22
Most Touchdown Passes, Playoff Game – 4 at San Francisco, 1/14/2012 (tied with Aaron Brooks)
Highest Yards Per Pass Attempt in Playoffs - 7.61
Most Yards Per Game Career in Playoffs with Saints - 322 (10 games)
Highest Passer Rating, Playoff Game – 131.4 vs. Detroit, 1/7/2012
Most Postseason Games w/400+ Yards Passing, Career - 3 (tied with Peyton Manning) NFL Record
Most Consecutive Games w/400+ Yards Passing – 2 (2012 postseason)
Most Postseason Games w/300+ Yards Passing, Career - 5
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No he isn't worth 20 million, no player is.
Are you kidding? Especially with the inflation of the cap and QB rates.
So Aaron Rodgers or Luck aren't worth $20 million? You would let them walk instead?
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The position needs to be addressed in this coming draft to prepare for the end of Drews contract.
We're going to extend him 2 more years this offseason
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:18 pm to TigerBait1127
Aaron Rodgers and flacco signed their big contracts after winning the super bowl, does that mean they are getting paid based on their past success?
Im w tigerbait, hes worth the money bc hes drew freakin brees and he's the man just look at the records
Im w tigerbait, hes worth the money bc hes drew freakin brees and he's the man just look at the records
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:21 pm to lsuson
Okay, 20mil/yr salary right?
Would you rather:
Aaron Rodgers: 22.0mil - yes (Rodgers is an elite QB and younger than Brees. You take him > Brees all the time. He has no line, but produces big numbers in past years).
Matt Ryan: 20.75mil - no (younger, elite potential, but no line means he's useless as well)
Joe Flacco: 20.1mil - no, not even close
Peyton Manning: 19.2mil - yes (always will take Manning > 99.9% of QBs)
Colin Kaepernick: 19.0mil - not at 19.0mil no.
Jay Cutler: 18.1mil - no, he makes me bash my head with how awkward he is. one week he'll be elite, the next he's just off. That's with 2 top WRs and an above average TE/RB.
Tony Romo: 18.0mil - no (Brees with a line > Romo with a line; Romo without a line is every year prior to 2014)
Matthew Stafford: 17.76mil - no (Look at Stafford minus CJ. Its not really good numbers at all. He makes a lot of derp throws too)
Alex Smith: 17.0mil - hahaha no
Eli Manning: 16.25mil - ...no
Andy Dalton: 16.0mil - no
Philip Rivers: 15.3mil - yes, always thought he was underrated by everyone
that's the top 13 (not including Brees'). Rivers is going to be PAID when his contract ends in 2015.
Would you rather:
Aaron Rodgers: 22.0mil - yes (Rodgers is an elite QB and younger than Brees. You take him > Brees all the time. He has no line, but produces big numbers in past years).
Matt Ryan: 20.75mil - no (younger, elite potential, but no line means he's useless as well)
Joe Flacco: 20.1mil - no, not even close
Peyton Manning: 19.2mil - yes (always will take Manning > 99.9% of QBs)
Colin Kaepernick: 19.0mil - not at 19.0mil no.
Jay Cutler: 18.1mil - no, he makes me bash my head with how awkward he is. one week he'll be elite, the next he's just off. That's with 2 top WRs and an above average TE/RB.
Tony Romo: 18.0mil - no (Brees with a line > Romo with a line; Romo without a line is every year prior to 2014)
Matthew Stafford: 17.76mil - no (Look at Stafford minus CJ. Its not really good numbers at all. He makes a lot of derp throws too)
Alex Smith: 17.0mil - hahaha no
Eli Manning: 16.25mil - ...no
Andy Dalton: 16.0mil - no
Philip Rivers: 15.3mil - yes, always thought he was underrated by everyone
that's the top 13 (not including Brees'). Rivers is going to be PAID when his contract ends in 2015.
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:27 pm to lsuson
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Million dollar question lol. Me says nope
Yes, and for multiple reasons. I don't like that he's paid that much, but that's market value now and his past performances earned him that.
He's struggled at times and is still easily a top 10 and possibly top 5 QB each year on that contract.
He's an enigma right now. He plays very well and has dealt with some crappy line play, but some of his decision making at particular times in games has been inexplicable. That said, if he stops those mistakes he's the second best QB in the league right now easily.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:38 pm to lsuson
Better question is, is the interior OL worth 16.32mil?
Jahri Evans: 8.1mil
Ben Grubbs: 7.2mil
Jon Goodwin: 1.02mil
Answer is: No.
Jahri Evans: 8.1mil
Ben Grubbs: 7.2mil
Jon Goodwin: 1.02mil
Answer is: No.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 8:13 pm to htran90
Tigerbait1127
Stats stats stats stats. Post them all you want. Whether you agree with what I said doesn't matter. Because you're probably one of the guys that immediately starts calling people retards and morons when you find agree with them.
I'm not a stat junky and I don't care about records or QB ratings. I know what Brees has done and I watch the games.
Just because the CBA and FA created this bloated pay structure does not mean a player is worth 20 million.
So to clarify I don't want him gone. I appreciate what he's done. Has he screwed up some playes, yes. Has he been great more often than not, yes.
I don't think the line is performing well and they are overpaid too.
There are s lot of things that need correcting. If those changes occur this season remains to be seen.
Stats stats stats stats. Post them all you want. Whether you agree with what I said doesn't matter. Because you're probably one of the guys that immediately starts calling people retards and morons when you find agree with them.
I'm not a stat junky and I don't care about records or QB ratings. I know what Brees has done and I watch the games.
Just because the CBA and FA created this bloated pay structure does not mean a player is worth 20 million.
So to clarify I don't want him gone. I appreciate what he's done. Has he screwed up some playes, yes. Has he been great more often than not, yes.
I don't think the line is performing well and they are overpaid too.
There are s lot of things that need correcting. If those changes occur this season remains to be seen.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 8:19 pm to Dunk47
Wouldn't want those facts getting in your way
And you're certifiable if you think drew hasn't done anything since 2009
And you're certifiable if you think drew hasn't done anything since 2009
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 8:44 pm to TigerBait1127
No I think he's been great since 2006. Things are bad right now for multiple reasons not just Brees.
I'm not certifiable and I'm not keeping facts out of it. Posting all his stats and records in unnecessary. You're taking what I said and using it as a spring board to say you're smart and I'm dumb.
If that helps you sleep at night fine. In my opinion no professional athlete is worth 20+ million a year regardless of accomplishments. Simple as that but I don't think Brees is done.
I'm not certifiable and I'm not keeping facts out of it. Posting all his stats and records in unnecessary. You're taking what I said and using it as a spring board to say you're smart and I'm dumb.
If that helps you sleep at night fine. In my opinion no professional athlete is worth 20+ million a year regardless of accomplishments. Simple as that but I don't think Brees is done.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 10:52 pm to lsuson
No. He's gotten old. Would love to see the saints either trade for Johnny Football or draft Dak Prescott. It's time for a change.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 10:58 pm to Dunk47
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No I think he's been great since 2006
So then why did you say this?
You're agreeing that be has more to fall back on than just a Super Bowl 5 years ago?
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I'm tired of listening to people defend Brees because he won a super bowl that great, terrific I loved it but it's 5 years ago now and more and more he is costing this team wins with ill timed ill advised interceptions. Many of which are returned for touchdowns. He continually gets a pass. Im not trolling I'm not being a Saints hater it's just a problem that is continually over looked and the only fall back is " super bowl ".
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You're taking what I said and using it as a spring board to say you're smart and I'm dumb.
I'm taking your words for what they are and trying to show you how unreasonable they are.
Your above comment above was absurd and says that all Brees has to fall back on is the Super Bowl 5 years ago.
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In my opinion no professional athlete is worth 20+ million a year regardless of accomplishments.
Seems like low pay for being in the top 5 at your profession
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 11:14 pm to KindaRaw
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5 years ago he deserved this money. The only QBs worthy of that money this year are Manning, Rodgers, Brady, and Rivers. Brees has no business getting that 20 mil with the bull shite he's been causing this season.
Slow your roll, bro!
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