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re: Bears: Why do we need them?
Posted on 10/16/14 at 12:49 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
Posted on 10/16/14 at 12:49 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
Thats fine, that its legal its just a personal thing I wouldnt do.
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Posted on 10/16/14 at 12:50 pm to AlxTgr
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Pigs eat cottonmouths. Just sayin'
They also deficate in freshwater supplies.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 12:50 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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The only issue I have is that it brings another animal in that will prey on fawns
well is there a shortage of fawns or adult deer? Seems there are plenty of deer and any mortality caused by bears is inconsequential.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 1:27 pm to Mung
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They are. Except coons are more dangerous. Pretty certain more coon attacks on humans that black bear attacks.
I don't think anyone is worried about human attacks. Fawns are another story. Not saying it's wrong, but bears coming back is going to have a serious effect on the deer herd.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 1:57 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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but bears coming back is going to have a serious effect on the deer herd.
Not sure how it can be worse than what hogs are already doing.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 1:59 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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bears coming back is going to have a serious effect on the deer herd.
Doubtful. Prolly less than 1000 bears in the state. LINK
The comment about human attacks was a direct response to the claim that i should be worried about children. Black bear is like a big coon.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 2:07 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
quote:No way.
but bears coming back is going to have a serious effect on the deer herd.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 2:07 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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Not saying it's wrong, but bears coming back is going to have a serious effect on the deer herd.
Not numbers wise, it may affect some deer activity. Bears are lazy and will eat plants before they'll waste energy killing something. Deer may alter their location based on bear activity though.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 2:09 pm to Mung
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Black bear is like a big coon.
Until you get between cubs and Momma - they have torn up their share of stuff on our lease can't wait till they adopt a bear hunt or two...
Posted on 10/16/14 at 2:09 pm to TigerDeacon
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Not sure how it can be worse than what hogs are already doing.
Between the hogs and report I read where one female coyote alone was responsible for 8 fawns in a year, I dont think we can spare any to bears
Posted on 10/16/14 at 2:11 pm to AlxTgr
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I just donated a large sum to the bbcc. Wow, they really need a better name.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 2:13 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Not numbers wise, it may affect some deer activity. Bears are lazy and will eat plants before they'll waste energy killing something. Deer may alter their location based on bear activity though.
I can almost promise OP wrote this after watching the special I did yesterday on the outdoor channel. Black bears were observed by biologists specifically searching for newly dropped fawns in the spring. They know mom will run off and the fawn will bed in place and hope to not be found, so they just look almost in a grid until they find it.
The conclusion the biologists arrived at was that it leads to less does needing to be taken, and it wasn't necessarily a bad thing, but it does have an effect on deer population.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 2:15 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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I can almost promise OP wrote this after watching the special I did yesterday on the outdoor channel
nope. Didnt see it but have heard that all predators including bears know when fawning takes place and specifically seeks them out.
Eta: Doesnt take a biologist to know whats going on it your neck of the woods. I know the deer numbers are down from the early 90s around here. I also know the number of coyotes is way up and we also have pigs now. Before a deer had all the acorns it could handle along with ag fields. Now thats been replaced with pines so what acorn trees are left a deer has to compete with the pigs for. Not to mention the predation. The pines are full of rabbits and with good rabbit numbers means a healthy number of coyotes. Adding bears to the mix is not in any way beneficial to the deer herds
This post was edited on 10/16/14 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 10/16/14 at 2:18 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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Between the hogs and report I read where one female coyote alone was responsible for 8 fawns in a year, I dont think we can spare any to bears
This, and the big difference is we're allowed to shoot yotes and pigs. Some local populations of bears may grow faster than others, before the entire state's population seems to be healthy. I can see how this is going to lead to some heated arguemnts.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 2:32 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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Bear activity revolves primarily around the search for food, water, cover, and mates. Bears are best described as opportunistic omnivorous feeders, as they eat almost anything that is available. Their diet varies seasonally and includes primarily succulent vegetation during spring, fruits and grains in summer, and hard mast (such as acorns and pecans) during fall. Black bears are usually not conventional predators like wolves or mountain lions. Meat they consume is generally either carrion or that of an opportunistic kill. Black bears utilize all levels of the forest for feeding; they can gather foods from tree tops and vines, but also forage in fallen logs for insects. The growth rate, maximum size, breeding age, litter size, and cub survival of black bears are all correlated with nutrition.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 2:32 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
I'll donate some of mine to the bears.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 2:38 pm to AlxTgr
They can stay too then.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 2:39 pm to AlxTgr
who kills more deer each year in LA and/or MS, black bears or humans driving vehicles.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 2:39 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
I would rather not have them. I was getting consist pictures of a 140"+ deer consistently a couple of years ago along with multiple other deer until a black bear arrived. After it arrived, I did not get pictures of another deer for over a week, and the 140 didn't come back.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 2:40 pm to Chad504boy
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who kills more deer each year in LA and/or MS, black bears or humans driving vehicles.
vehicles = 437
bears = 16
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