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Who garners more respect as an educator:the high school teacher or college prof?
Posted on 10/2/14 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 10/2/14 at 3:21 pm
In terms of pedagogy, which would you say is more adept at the craft?
I ask because it seems that college professors see themselves as scholars who also teach. Many professors at respectable universities teach a 2/1 schedule while some in the early years of a tenure track position may teach a 2/2 or a 3/2. Their main focus is research, publishing, and service projects.
High school teachers lack the content knowledge of the professor but dedicate their focus to instruction and practice.
Does being a scholar enable one to be a better educator, or does utilizing modern, research-proven teaching methods do a better job?
I ask because it seems that college professors see themselves as scholars who also teach. Many professors at respectable universities teach a 2/1 schedule while some in the early years of a tenure track position may teach a 2/2 or a 3/2. Their main focus is research, publishing, and service projects.
High school teachers lack the content knowledge of the professor but dedicate their focus to instruction and practice.
Does being a scholar enable one to be a better educator, or does utilizing modern, research-proven teaching methods do a better job?
Posted on 10/2/14 at 3:22 pm to StringedInstruments
depends on who puts out
Posted on 10/2/14 at 3:23 pm to StringedInstruments
I respected my professors more
Posted on 10/2/14 at 3:23 pm to StringedInstruments
Most of my (public) high school teachers were better at "teaching" than my LSU instructors and professors.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 3:23 pm to StringedInstruments
the professor on Gilligan's island got a lot of respect.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 3:24 pm to StringedInstruments
ill respect the career that doesnt try to lick 16 year old dong on the reg
Posted on 10/2/14 at 3:25 pm to StringedInstruments
I should add that I'm asking because I'm getting experience as both. I taught high school for a while and now I'm in graduate school as well as a teacher of record.
I've noticed that no one in my cohort gives a shite about my prior teaching experience, and one of the professors said to me that teaching college is much different than teaching high school. It was said in the tone that teaching college is a much more difficult job. From my experience, teaching is teaching. Professors just don't give a shite about being good "teachers" in the sense that teaching is a craft. However, their ability to delve into deep and profound discussions on a subject far surpasses that of the high school teacher.
I've noticed that no one in my cohort gives a shite about my prior teaching experience, and one of the professors said to me that teaching college is much different than teaching high school. It was said in the tone that teaching college is a much more difficult job. From my experience, teaching is teaching. Professors just don't give a shite about being good "teachers" in the sense that teaching is a craft. However, their ability to delve into deep and profound discussions on a subject far surpasses that of the high school teacher.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 3:26 pm to StringedInstruments
they're almost not even comparable. high school teachers have a duty to educate while college professors don't necessarily have to care whether you fail or pass.
college professors are more respected by far, but I think high school teachers have a much greater impact and success rate.
college professors are more respected by far, but I think high school teachers have a much greater impact and success rate.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 3:27 pm to StringedInstruments
Many brilliant college professors absolutely suck as teachers.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 3:30 pm to StringedInstruments
In high school I felt like I was more intelligent than most of my teachers; in college I only felt like I was more intelligent than only a couple of my professors. Take a guess at who I respected more.
This post was edited on 10/2/14 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 10/2/14 at 3:35 pm to StringedInstruments
um professors...
Understanding what you teach is important. I will say sometimes a professor is too smart for his own good when it comes to teaching, but I would say professors are better teachers than high school teachers.
Understanding what you teach is important. I will say sometimes a professor is too smart for his own good when it comes to teaching, but I would say professors are better teachers than high school teachers.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 3:36 pm to StringedInstruments
College professors probably get more respect just because they teach at the college level. That being said, I think my elementary school teachers could teach circles around a lot of my college professors.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 3:45 pm to StringedInstruments
I respected my college professors more because I found them to have more knowledge, but I appreciated my high school teachers more for actually giving a shite and wanting their students to actually learn/understand the material.
This post was edited on 10/2/14 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 10/2/14 at 4:11 pm to StringedInstruments
You lost me at pedagology... pedagogogy... pedalogy... whatever.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 4:19 pm to StringedInstruments
I've done both. Teaching is a trade, like plumbing. You learn the mechanics of conveying information and controlling the learning environment over time. The ones who want to be good at it are always tweaking and revising their methods and materials.
That said, there's absolutely no substitute for content mastery and the quickest way to sink a ship is for it to become obvious to the class that you don't know the subject that well. On the other when the class becomes aware that you do, in fact, know the subject backwards and forwards, that can draw them into the course, get them interested and, in turn, make the transfer of information more efficient.
Good high school teachers probably have a greater chance to make an impact on students' lives. Unfortunately, the number of teachers who hold their students' feet to fire and have administrations that support them challenging the students is very, very low. I teach mostly freshmen and sophomores at an SEC school and we have to spend a good bit of time teaching them study skills and reading tactics just so they can complete the course - and these are generally students who were in the upper 20% of their high school classes. It's part of the reason why we put so much weight on the ACT/SAT -- the GPAs are now, for the most part, complete shite as a measure of your intellectual ability/achievement because they've watered them down for political/social/feel-good reasons.
I will say this, though: I'm not a huge fan of open-ended tenure because I've seen way too many of my colleagues get it and then sit on their asses for twenty years, using the shield of tenure as an excuse for acting like little bitches to the dean, president, and chancellor, kind of like a shite arse kid yelling at people from behind a fence.
That said, there's absolutely no substitute for content mastery and the quickest way to sink a ship is for it to become obvious to the class that you don't know the subject that well. On the other when the class becomes aware that you do, in fact, know the subject backwards and forwards, that can draw them into the course, get them interested and, in turn, make the transfer of information more efficient.
Good high school teachers probably have a greater chance to make an impact on students' lives. Unfortunately, the number of teachers who hold their students' feet to fire and have administrations that support them challenging the students is very, very low. I teach mostly freshmen and sophomores at an SEC school and we have to spend a good bit of time teaching them study skills and reading tactics just so they can complete the course - and these are generally students who were in the upper 20% of their high school classes. It's part of the reason why we put so much weight on the ACT/SAT -- the GPAs are now, for the most part, complete shite as a measure of your intellectual ability/achievement because they've watered them down for political/social/feel-good reasons.
I will say this, though: I'm not a huge fan of open-ended tenure because I've seen way too many of my colleagues get it and then sit on their asses for twenty years, using the shield of tenure as an excuse for acting like little bitches to the dean, president, and chancellor, kind of like a shite arse kid yelling at people from behind a fence.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 4:23 pm to StringedInstruments
high school teachers have a captive, and overcrowded class. their job is classroom management first, then instruction.
professors teach to adults who WANT to be there.
its a different challenge at each level. but I think the professor gets the nod, because of the mandatory PhD and required ongoing study or academic writing.
professors teach to adults who WANT to be there.
its a different challenge at each level. but I think the professor gets the nod, because of the mandatory PhD and required ongoing study or academic writing.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 4:24 pm to StringedInstruments
quote:
Who garners more respect as an educator:the high school teacher or college prof?
If you're Walter White, it's a no brainer.
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