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re: Is Jeremiah Wright a Former Muslim?
Posted on 10/2/14 at 6:41 am to Revelator
Posted on 10/2/14 at 6:41 am to Revelator
I agree with Obama. For a Black church, Trinity United isn't controversial, it's only controversial to folks who don't know Black folks and Black culture. Did you see what Mike Huckabee said about Wright? Read this column by conservative Armstrong Williams that he wrote about the Black Church after the tapes came out.
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 6:48 am to trackfan
quote:That's actually bullshite.
And he also admitted that he was very familiar with Wright's politics and rhetoric.
Obama claimed that he never heard anything like the "chickens come home to roost" sermon. That it was out of character.
Wright and everyone else claimed that was just a regular Sunday
Posted on 10/2/14 at 6:55 am to trackfan
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You folks seem to believe in guilt by association,
Guilt by association? Are you out of your mind? We aren't talking about a chef you visit regularly at a restaurant, but a spiritual adviser, mentor, family friend, counselor.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 7:00 am to Revelator
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In a campaign appearance earlier this month, Sen. Obama said, "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial."
Only 2 conclusions can be drawn by this statement: one, Obama is pretending he didn't know what was preached ( a point I already made and you brushed aside) or two, he agreed with what was being preached.
This," I didn't agree with everything he said" isn't a valid response to avoid culpability.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 7:05 am to trackfan
quote:Of course Trinity United is controversial. "For a Black Church," for a WASP Church, for a Mosque, for a Synagogue, makes not a shred of difference. The subject matter is controversial. Period! That really wasn't the direction this thread was intended to go, but I guess it's in route to a hijack now.
Trinity United isn't controversial
This post was edited on 10/2/14 at 7:06 am
Posted on 10/2/14 at 7:07 am to Roaad
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That's actually bullshite
No it's not, I provided his exact quote earlier in this thread.
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Obama claimed that he never heard anything like the "chickens come home to roost" sermon. That it was out of character.
Wright and everyone else claimed that was just a regular Sunday
Obama only said that he wasn't in the church on the day that this particular sermon given. Here's what he said about his knowledge of Wright's sermons.
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For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely
That speech really wasn't controversial if you hear the entire unedited version, and not the selectively edited version that FOX News put out to distort the meaning. It was basically a speech about blowback that's similar to things that Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan have said. Wright was actually quoting a U.S. ambassador in the clip that FOX put out. Judge for yourself. Here's a link to the unedited version:
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 7:08 am to Revelator
quote:How much was Mitt Romney given a pass for being a Mormon? It was brought up, but the mainstream press didn't press him on every part of that religion.
Let's play a game; a conservative candidate goes to a church for over 20 years and the pastor preaches messages that are consistent with Klan rhetoric. Things like the belief in segregation, the belief that whites shouldn't date or marry blacks or the belief that whites are superior to blacks. What's the chance that he would have been given a pass like Obama was?
Posted on 10/2/14 at 7:08 am to NC_Tigah
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Of course Trinity United is controversial. "For a Black Church," for a WASP Church, for a Mosque, for a Synagogue, makes not a shred of difference. The subject matter is controversial. Period! That really wasn't the direction this thread was intended to go, but I guess it's in route to a hijack now.
I guess these things are in the eyes of the beholder, but I respectfully disagree with you.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 7:09 am to Revelator
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Guilt by association? Are you out of your mind? We aren't talking about a chef you visit regularly at a restaurant, but a spiritual adviser, mentor, family friend, counselor.
Unless Wright is a cabinet member, it's all guilt by association.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 7:12 am to trackfan
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I guess these things are in the eyes of the beholder, but I respectfully disagree with you.
You don't really have good judgment, so I'll respectfully not care one whit what your opinion is.
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Unless Wright is a cabinet member, it's all guilt by association.
You do violence to the English language when you post nonsense like this.
This post was edited on 10/2/14 at 7:14 am
Posted on 10/2/14 at 7:12 am to trackfan
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Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely
No one continues to attend a church regularly for over 20 years if he strongly disagrees with what is coming out of the pulpit. This is laughable that you buy this.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 7:14 am to trackfan
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Unless Wright is a cabinet member, it's all guilt by association.
So if a presidential candidate has klan friends or mob buddies it's ok as long as these friends aren't in the cabinet? Is this the lame reasoning you are going with?
Posted on 10/2/14 at 7:17 am to Revelator
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No one continues to attend a church regularly for over 20 years if he strongly disagrees with what is coming out of the pulpit. This is laughable that you buy this.
If he saw no redeeming value in Wright, that would make sense, but it's obvious from Obama's speech that he felt that on balance, Wright's positives far outweighed his negatives.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 7:17 am to Revelator
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So if a presidential candidate has klan friends or mob buddies it's ok as long as these friends aren't in the cabinet?
I reject the premise of your question.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 7:18 am to the808bass
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You don't really have good judgment, so I'll respectfully not care one whit what your opinion is.
I hate to break it to you but I've never cared what your opinion is. Gotta go. I'll check back with you folks in a few days. In the meantime, reread Obama's speech on race and Armstrong Williams' column on the Black Church.
This post was edited on 10/2/14 at 7:21 am
Posted on 10/2/14 at 7:20 am to Revelator
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No one continues to attend a church regularly for over 20 years if he strongly disagrees with what is coming out of the pulpit. This is laughable that you buy this.
Exactly
Posted on 10/2/14 at 7:24 am to trackfan
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I reject the premise of your question.
I'm am simply carrying out your idiotic assertions to a possible hypothetical situation. But instead of you just admitting that your strong personal bias' have painted you into a corner, you've decided to double down. Good, now everyone can see you make a complete fool of yourself.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 7:29 am to trackfan
quote:tf, "sensitivity" goes both ways. If a man attributes unseemly qualities to an individual in prepared remarks, and then ties those to an entire race, it is what it is. There is no "in the eye of the beholder to it". There is no counter thesis, PC or otherwise. Racism by any color is racism.
I guess these things are in the eyes of the beholder, but I respectfully disagree with you.
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In his recent incendiary remarks, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Jr. claimed that criticism of his views is nothing less "an attack on the black church launched by people who know nothing about the African-American religious tradition." Can it really be that millions of black Americans regularly choose to listen to viciously anti-white and anti-American rants on Sunday mornings? Happily, Chicago's Trinity Church is an outlier in that regard. Most black churchgoers belong to congregations that are overwhelmingly African-American and are affiliated with one of the historically black religious denominations such as the African Methodist Episcopal Church (AME) or the National Baptist Convention. Rev. Wright's Trinity Church, on the other hand, is a predominantly black branch of a white denomination that is not part of "the African-American religious tradition."
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 7:30 am to The Boat
It doesn't matter.
I am not a crook.
I am not a crook.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 7:31 am to Wtodd
If Obama disagreed with all or most of what Wright preached it would make since for him to quit attending. You folks think Obama should have thrown the baby out with the bathwater, despite that fact that most of Wright's speeches were uncontroversial, which is why you'll never see them on FOX News despite the fact that they bought the entire DVD collection of Wright's speeches which are sold in the Church's gift shop.
Here's how CNN covered the Wright controversy after they listened to the who "chickens coming home to roost" speech, which any responsible journalist would have done.
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Have fun folks. I'm outta here until Sunday.
Here's how CNN covered the Wright controversy after they listened to the who "chickens coming home to roost" speech, which any responsible journalist would have done.
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As this whole sordid episode regarding the sermons of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright has played out over the last week, I wanted to understand what he ACTUALLY said in this speech. I've been saying all week on CNN that context is important, and I just wanted to know what the heck is going on.
I have now actually listened to the sermon Rev. Wright gave after September 11 titled, "The Day of Jerusalem's Fall." It was delivered on Sept. 16, 2001.
One of the most controversial statements in this sermon was when he mentioned "chickens coming home to roost." He was actually quoting Edward Peck, former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq and deputy director of President Reagan's terrorism task force, who was speaking on FOX News. That's what he told the congregation.
He was quoting Peck as saying that America's foreign policy has put the nation in peril
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Have fun folks. I'm outta here until Sunday.
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