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re: Welter did not miss his assignment.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 9:39 pm to KG5989
Posted on 9/29/14 at 9:39 pm to KG5989
a) Miles said a linebacker, not middle linebacker.
b) The outside linebacker wasn't lined up directly in front of the receiver.
Even in your graph, the Safety needs to come over but he never got in the play because he was lined up by the sideline playing the receiver.
I have no idea what the play was supposed to be but Debo's last minute attempt tells me the players were out of synch.
b) The outside linebacker wasn't lined up directly in front of the receiver.
Even in your graph, the Safety needs to come over but he never got in the play because he was lined up by the sideline playing the receiver.
I have no idea what the play was supposed to be but Debo's last minute attempt tells me the players were out of synch.
This post was edited on 9/29/14 at 9:40 pm
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Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:31 pm to LSU6969
Say what you will...but Welter for some reason just runs right into the back of a double teamed DL and completely vacates the gaping hole in the middle.
Also, even if he's not the one out of position (which is unfathomable given these pics), all we've been told the last season and 1/2 is he does such a great job of lining everyone up and getting the calls to the defense. Does he??
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:22 pm to mmcgrath
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b) The outside linebacker wasn't lined up directly in front of the receiver.
Correct. But he was prety much lined up on the inside shoulder of the WR.
quote:What?
Even in your graph, the Safety needs to come over but he never got in the play because he was lined up by the sideline playing the receiver.
In the top pic, Martin is on the hash to the 3 WR side giving help over the top. Tre White was on the outside WR, Jalen Collins on the middle WR, and Debo was on the inside WR. LL is OLB at the bottom of the pic, outside the TE close to the line, almost like a DE. And Mills walked up to the line almost like another LB because there is only the TE to his side. So what safety are you talking about lined up by the sideline?
The 2nd, 3rd, and 4th pics are just "wtf are you looking at Welter". Look at the 3rd pic... Welter is still in decent position to make the play, and its obvious the RB does not have the ball. Hes not even trying to act like he has it, his arms and hands are by his side, clearly not holding on to anything. And Welter is still in good position... Until the 4th pic. He kept running to the left even though its clear the RB does not have the ball, and like someone said, he just runs into a double team for some reason.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:23 pm to LSU6969
You may be right. Don't know. But it's hard to watch us have such limited ability at such an important position. If all you need is a guy who knows his assignment than let's start Chavis. We need a beast in the middle. It's not Welter's fault he's not the player we need but the coaches who failed to recruit the quality of players this team needs.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:09 am to Fishhead
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Say what you will...but Welter for some reason just runs right into the back of a double teamed DL and completely vacates the gaping hole in the middle.
I think he thought the QB had handed off the ball and the runner was going inside.
But even had that been the case, he couldn't have made that tackle either. It looks like he tries to hide. Literally hide.
But The right tackle bit first on the fake. There you can barely see him falling forward behind 62. Bower said he was wrong on a Nola.com clip. Here but when the right tackle 92? Bit the hole opened. Allen just ran right behind him. You can see it in your screen grabs.
When Welter bit, the dude was gone
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 1:40 am
Posted on 9/30/14 at 6:33 am to Vegas Bengal
how can anyone argue if welter made a mistake? miles said he did.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 6:35 am to Vegas Bengal
Bottom line, if you don't think Welter is expected to make that play, you simply have ZERO knowledge of football. Some even tried to say it was the DT's fault last year because they weren't occupying blockers. Well here's a great example of a DT taking on the double team and Welter just not being capable of making a play. Not only did he not make they play, he wasn't even close.
And just in case you haven't noticed, he is out of position (too deep) if the ball would have been handed to the rb. Even though he is fooled, he would have been blocked easily 5 yds downfield by either of those linemen had they chosen to peel of and get him.
This play was simply designed to work off of his inability to read plays and their confidence that their player would easily beat his player to the hole.
And just in case you haven't noticed, he is out of position (too deep) if the ball would have been handed to the rb. Even though he is fooled, he would have been blocked easily 5 yds downfield by either of those linemen had they chosen to peel of and get him.
This play was simply designed to work off of his inability to read plays and their confidence that their player would easily beat his player to the hole.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 6:55 am to Vegas Bengal
quote:This is exactly what happened. It's what the play is designed to do, and it worked.
I think he thought the QB had handed off the ball and the runner was going inside.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 7:39 am to Fishhead
quote:The double teamed DL is pushed back into him and one of the linemen break free and block on Welter briefly. Look at the feet and the hash marks.
but Welter for some reason just runs right into the back of a double teamed DL and completely vacates the gaping hole in the middle.
quote:If the safety moves the linebacker without speaking to Welter, how is that Welter's fault that the linebacker isn't in position?
Also, even if he's not the one out of position (which is unfathomable given these pics), all we've been told the last season and 1/2 is he does such a great job of lining everyone up and getting the calls to the defense. Does he??
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 7:45 am
Posted on 9/30/14 at 8:41 am to mmcgrath
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If the safety moves the linebacker without speaking to Welter, how is that Welter's fault that the linebacker isn't in position?
So he is supposed to do this over tea? OR with hand gestures? Because I see two players making gestures at Welter. Plus we cannot hear them either.
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 8:42 am
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:00 am to mmcgrath
quote:I looked. He didn't move. One step to the right and he's in the hole to attempt the tackle. Key word, attempt.
The double teamed DL is pushed back into him and one of the linemen break free and block on Welter briefly. Look at the feet and the hash marks.
quote:Read what the guy above me said, plus...it's allegedly been WELTER who was so great at lining everyone up, his sole reason for being on the field.
If the safety moves the linebacker without speaking to Welter, how is that Welter's fault that the linebacker isn't in position?
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