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My thoughts on the Offense and Defense
Posted on 9/24/14 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 9/24/14 at 7:03 pm
Let's start with offense. I'm tired of all the bashing of CLM and CCC. They're two of the most talented coaches in their respected fields in all of college football. CLM has one of the highest win percentages in the SEC. He's obviously doing something right.
Let's look at the years where LSU has been the most successful.
2007: LSU was number 9 in the country and number 1 in the SEC in total offensive yards with 3154 yards passing and 2998 rushing yards for a total of 6152. Pretty electric right? What did that do for the defense? Allowed for.. number 9 in the country and second in the SEC with 3690 total yards.
2011: We take a step back with an electric offense but become more efficient until later in the second half of the season. We only ranked 57th with 4971 total yards but the defense was ranked 5th in the nation with only 3661 yards given up. Electric defense. But we ranked number 1 in the turnover margin. Our offense played within the confines of themselves and the defense created opportunities for the offense.
Start difference. But you can see how both sides of the ball benefit from having a dominant side of the football. Either the offense is dominant and allows for the defense to strive or the defense is dominant and sets up the offensive production.
2013: Last year we a had a top 15 ranked defense. There were several blown assignments that resulted in the loss of games (UGA) or a bad showing (OM - ZM 3 INT). You cancel that out then we're 11-1 going into the SEC championship game. Offensively we ranked 33rd with a 3000 yard passer, two 1000 yard receivers, and a runningback over 1000 yards. First time in the SEC. BUT ALL of the production has left. Including the the majority of the defense since the 2011 season.
Enough with statistics. This year we see that offensively we have regressed back to the 2008, 2009, 2010 offense. Most of this has to do with quarterback production. I'm not advocating any particular quarterback (GO KRAGTHORPE... ) Anyway. One of the major things to look back at those past successful offensive years is the balance that was able to be achieved. Those weren't all just run heavy teams or pass heavy teams. There was a balance that allowed both to succeed.
This year we see the lack of a passing game. We cannot complete slant routes. We cannot complete flat routes. Most of our numbers come from busted defensive plays. It doesn't matter if you run a spread offense or a pro-style I formation. If you can't complete a simple pass then the running game has all the pressure. Something to think about.. After the dominance our offense showed last year, the regression our offense has showed this year doesn't result from CLM calling the plays but the lack of confidence that CLM and CCC have in our quarterbacks. They know better than we do their capabilities, AND if they are unwilling to throw the ball when necessary, it isn't because they want to, it's because they simply cannot do it. That became evident when I watched AJ fail to complete simple passes to wide open receivers against Moo St.
Onto defense. Our corners are the best in the entire country. Hands down. But they simply cannot be asked to cover for eternity because the front 7 cannot put enough pressure on the QB. I attribute this not to lack of recruiting but lack of experience and bodies. We've been gouged on the front seven over the last 5 years. Look at the NFL draft. We're doing the best we can. Now the MLB spot is the most key position of the entire defense. I feel like this is the same dilemma that we are seeing in the offense. The lack of production coming from the front 7 will hurt any defense.
An offense cannot strive without a competent defense. A defense cannot strive without a competent offense.
And most importantly, does anyone remember hearing CCC yell at the QBs and Wrs in the video saying that we would run a 1950s offense if we can't complete a simple slant route? It's pretty telling. This team can still succeed. It requires players to step up and fulfill the potential to which they were recruited at.
/rant
Let's look at the years where LSU has been the most successful.
2007: LSU was number 9 in the country and number 1 in the SEC in total offensive yards with 3154 yards passing and 2998 rushing yards for a total of 6152. Pretty electric right? What did that do for the defense? Allowed for.. number 9 in the country and second in the SEC with 3690 total yards.
2011: We take a step back with an electric offense but become more efficient until later in the second half of the season. We only ranked 57th with 4971 total yards but the defense was ranked 5th in the nation with only 3661 yards given up. Electric defense. But we ranked number 1 in the turnover margin. Our offense played within the confines of themselves and the defense created opportunities for the offense.
Start difference. But you can see how both sides of the ball benefit from having a dominant side of the football. Either the offense is dominant and allows for the defense to strive or the defense is dominant and sets up the offensive production.
2013: Last year we a had a top 15 ranked defense. There were several blown assignments that resulted in the loss of games (UGA) or a bad showing (OM - ZM 3 INT). You cancel that out then we're 11-1 going into the SEC championship game. Offensively we ranked 33rd with a 3000 yard passer, two 1000 yard receivers, and a runningback over 1000 yards. First time in the SEC. BUT ALL of the production has left. Including the the majority of the defense since the 2011 season.
Enough with statistics. This year we see that offensively we have regressed back to the 2008, 2009, 2010 offense. Most of this has to do with quarterback production. I'm not advocating any particular quarterback (GO KRAGTHORPE... ) Anyway. One of the major things to look back at those past successful offensive years is the balance that was able to be achieved. Those weren't all just run heavy teams or pass heavy teams. There was a balance that allowed both to succeed.
This year we see the lack of a passing game. We cannot complete slant routes. We cannot complete flat routes. Most of our numbers come from busted defensive plays. It doesn't matter if you run a spread offense or a pro-style I formation. If you can't complete a simple pass then the running game has all the pressure. Something to think about.. After the dominance our offense showed last year, the regression our offense has showed this year doesn't result from CLM calling the plays but the lack of confidence that CLM and CCC have in our quarterbacks. They know better than we do their capabilities, AND if they are unwilling to throw the ball when necessary, it isn't because they want to, it's because they simply cannot do it. That became evident when I watched AJ fail to complete simple passes to wide open receivers against Moo St.
Onto defense. Our corners are the best in the entire country. Hands down. But they simply cannot be asked to cover for eternity because the front 7 cannot put enough pressure on the QB. I attribute this not to lack of recruiting but lack of experience and bodies. We've been gouged on the front seven over the last 5 years. Look at the NFL draft. We're doing the best we can. Now the MLB spot is the most key position of the entire defense. I feel like this is the same dilemma that we are seeing in the offense. The lack of production coming from the front 7 will hurt any defense.
An offense cannot strive without a competent defense. A defense cannot strive without a competent offense.
And most importantly, does anyone remember hearing CCC yell at the QBs and Wrs in the video saying that we would run a 1950s offense if we can't complete a simple slant route? It's pretty telling. This team can still succeed. It requires players to step up and fulfill the potential to which they were recruited at.
/rant
This post was edited on 9/25/14 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 9/24/14 at 8:26 pm to USARMYDasher
I didn't read all that poo, but it really boils down to, can we block on O and can we get off blocks on D and make the tackle! Our O line is not very talented and neither is the D line and Welker at LB is not very talented! It's that easy! I don't give a shizter who is at QB or what fricken plays they call on O if you can't block it doesn't matter! We will be 6-6 or 7-5 at the end of the season unless O-line and D-line play improves most ricky-tic!
Posted on 9/24/14 at 9:22 pm to USARMYDasher
quote:
I'm tired of all the bashing of CLM
Legitimate criticism of his failure this past week is now considered "bashing"?
you people are off the deep end.
quote:
This year we see the lack of a passing game. We cannot complete slant routes. We cannot complete flat routes. Most of our numbers come from busted defensive plays. It doesn't matter if you run a spread offense or a pro-style I formation. If you can't complete a simple pass then the running game has all the pressure. Something to think about.. After the dominance our offense showed last year, the regression our offense has showed this year doesn't result from CLM calling the plays but the lack of confidence that CLM and CCC have in our quarterbacks. They know better than we do their capabilities, AND if they are unwilling to throw the ball when necessary, it isn't because they want to, it's because they simply cannot do it. That became evident when I watched AJ fail to complete simple passes to wide open receivers against Moo St.
WHose fault do you think this is?
1) Either Les Miles cant coach them to execute properly.
2) Les Miles recruits kids that are unable to execute.
Those are the options.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 9:38 pm to USARMYDasher
You know what im tired of? Im tired of people defending a coach that makes well over 4mill a year to do a job and be successful at it. I understand no one could win them all but Miles never changes anything. How many good offenses has he had at LSU? We see the smae plays every single season over and over again. Five oc in ten years
Posted on 9/25/14 at 3:32 am to USARMYDasher
Why in the hell did we not pass on first down during the first seven offensive series? Part of the game plan on offense should consist of breaking tendencies which the LSU offense rarely attempts.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 12:37 pm to USARMYDasher
While I agree, what are the solutions? I think we need to put make changes on both lines and then start putting others in, Beckwith, Thomas and Harris. At some point, these guys need to play and get experience. Better now then later.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 12:52 pm to USARMYDasher
quote:
I'm tired of all the bashing of CLM and CCC. They're two of the most talented coaches in their respected fields in all of college football. CLM has one of the highest win percentages in the SEC.
stopped reading after this. Miles has won off of talent for too many years
This post was edited on 9/25/14 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 9/25/14 at 1:42 pm to USARMYDasher
quote:
We cannot complete slant routes. We cannot complete flat routes. Most of our numbers come from busted defensive plays. It doesn't matter if you run a spread offense or a pro-style I formation. If you can't complete a simple pass then the running game has all the pressure.
But not only is this true for this year, but outside of 2013, this is true for almost every LSU offense under Miles. We cannot complete some of the most basic, simple passes that every Division 1 level offense is typically able to complete. I like the idea of running the ball, but it's almost useless when the other team knows its coming, stacks 8 in the box, and you have absolutely no answer for it.
It almost seems like Miles is shell-shocked when a defense keeps stacking 8 in the box. The man doesn't have an answer for that. LSU isn't efficient enough in basic, collegiate level passing, and the offensive line isn't good enough to handle it.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 11:00 pm to USARMYDasher
quote:THis kind of analysis is total fricking bunk. ALMOST EVERY team has 2,3,4 close games that could have easily gone one way or another. You can't just "cancel them out". I could probably go back through the last 10 years of Tiger football and add at least 3 more BCS bowl appearances and 2 more SEC CG appearance by cancelling out 10 plays.
There were several blown assignments that resulted in the loss of games (UGA) or a bad showing (OM - ZM 3 INT). You cancel that out then we're 11-1 going into the SEC championship game.
GREAT teams like the 2011 tigers only have close games against other great teams (like fricking frickity frick i won't even say it).
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 10/7/14 at 10:34 am to USARMYDasher
Since you looked up all that, tell me why we have gone from a mostly two back system, to a completely full on RBBC? The only teams that run a full on committee approach, are the ones who are triple option, have no legit #1 RB or legit 1-2 punch, or pass heavy teams.
A down hill run team with almost zero misdirection, NEVER runs 4 backs almost evenly unless they all suck. A power run team establishes two top backs or one top back.
Even when the pass game was shitty in 2010, we utilized one RB and had a very good run game.
Even in 2011, the only time we truly ran RBBC, we did not do it until Ware was suspended
Check it out:
2011 first 7 games
Spencer Ware - 128 carries
Michael Ford - 67 carries
Alfred Blue - 53 carries
Without even going back, I remember that the first half of games were pretty much Ware with Ford a change of pace. The fourth quarter is when they really fed Blue. A fresh back with good speed.
Let's also go to the pass game against Ole Miss and UGA that year? We threw 8 against Ole Miss (all complete) and we ran for over 300 yards with the RBs all having similar carries. Against UGA, we threw it 13 times (3 complete) yet four RBs ran for 230 yards against the #3 defense in the country.
So to tell you the truth, the pass game is not the problem. If it was, why in 2012, did an offensive line with a true freshman in his first start, a redshirt freshman in his first start, and a true sophomore in his fourth start, have a freshman RB run for 124 yards and 2 TDs against a Clowney led DL? Keep in mind that the QB was 12/25 for 148 yards and an int?
A down hill run team with almost zero misdirection, NEVER runs 4 backs almost evenly unless they all suck. A power run team establishes two top backs or one top back.
Even when the pass game was shitty in 2010, we utilized one RB and had a very good run game.
Even in 2011, the only time we truly ran RBBC, we did not do it until Ware was suspended
Check it out:
2011 first 7 games
Spencer Ware - 128 carries
Michael Ford - 67 carries
Alfred Blue - 53 carries
Without even going back, I remember that the first half of games were pretty much Ware with Ford a change of pace. The fourth quarter is when they really fed Blue. A fresh back with good speed.
Let's also go to the pass game against Ole Miss and UGA that year? We threw 8 against Ole Miss (all complete) and we ran for over 300 yards with the RBs all having similar carries. Against UGA, we threw it 13 times (3 complete) yet four RBs ran for 230 yards against the #3 defense in the country.
So to tell you the truth, the pass game is not the problem. If it was, why in 2012, did an offensive line with a true freshman in his first start, a redshirt freshman in his first start, and a true sophomore in his fourth start, have a freshman RB run for 124 yards and 2 TDs against a Clowney led DL? Keep in mind that the QB was 12/25 for 148 yards and an int?
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