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re: D. C. 6th grade homework assignment. Let's hear the responses.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:13 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:13 am to NC_Tigah
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If not, then WTF is your point?
My point is I'm not surprised someone that didn't like Bush compared him to Hitler. Obama's been compared to him by people that don't like him, Clinton was compared to him by people that didn't like him.
Is it any more dangerous for a teacher with an audience of maybe 20-30 students to do it, than say a radio personality with an audience of thousands or millions?
It's a stupid comparison trotted out by stupid people, but this country is full of stupid people so it doesn't surprise me.
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Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:14 am to The Spleen
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Is it any more dangerous for a teacher with an audience of maybe 20-30 students to do it, than say a radio personality with an audience of thousands or millions?
Yes.
The fact you dont see the difference is astounding.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:20 am to CptBengal
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Yes.
How so?
And explain it without using the word "indoctrination", if you could.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:23 am to The Spleen
quote:How about regurgitation of a duplicitous agenda being forced on 6th grade kids?
How so?
And explain it without using the word "indoctrination"
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:29 am to The Spleen
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How so?
And explain it without using the word "indoctrination", if you could.
You might consider the difference between a captive audience of children and some yahoo freely choosing to tune into an AM radio station.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:29 am to The Spleen
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How so?
Hopefully, you will admit that children that age are very impressionable. Most of them probably believe the moon is made out of cheese if that is what they have been told.
This is no more a good subject for debate at this age anymore than sex ed is. There is a time and place for most anything. This isn't one of them.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:33 am to Homesick Tiger
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This is no more a good subject for debate at this age anymore than sex ed is.
Sex Ed was taught in the 6th grade when I was growing up.. and that was in Catholic School. But I agree that the Bush Hitler exercise or really any personal opinion expressed as fact does not belong in the classroom.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:36 am to mmcgrath
quote:Yeah.
Sex Ed was taught in the 6th grade when I was growing up.. and that was in Catholic School.
But I agree that the Bush Hitler exercise
I can't wait to see the Ron Jeremy - GWBush Venn Diagram assignment.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:39 am to Pilot Tiger
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it happens all over the country
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OMG THE SKY IS FALLING BECAUSE OF 1 TEACHER
I'm confused, because I went to La public schools I guess. Too bad we didn't have Common Core back then.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:39 am to NC_Tigah
quote:I would be proud to be included in that Venn Diagram, although I would be
Yeah.
I can't wait to see the Ron Jeremy - GWBush Venn Diagram assignment.
at the results. 
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:41 am to The Spleen
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How so?
Children are required to go to school, and must listen to the teacher.
You are not forced to turn on the radio and listen to a certain station.
Are you really this fricking stupid? I'm serious, just how stupid are you?
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:46 am to The Spleen
quote:It's not more "dangerous", but it is more "wrong". Teachers shouldn't teach their opinions as fact in the classroom. I can't tell Rush to put a sock in it. Well I can tell him, I just couldn't force him to shut up.
Is it any more dangerous for a teacher with an audience of maybe 20-30 students to do it, than say a radio personality with an audience of thousands or millions?
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:47 am to CptBengal
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Children are required to go to school, and must listen to the teacher
Okay, but that doesn't mean they're required to adopt their teachers' beliefs.
I agree the lesson was stupid, and the teacher should be punished for it. I just don't get the outrage over it.
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I'm serious, just how stupid are you?
Probably a lot smarter than you are.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:48 am to Pilot Tiger
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:50 am to The Spleen
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Okay, but that doesn't mean they're required to adopt their teachers' beliefs.
One the person is FORCED to be there.
One the other CHOOSES to listen.
Do you still not get it, good god man. Even otto wasnt this stupid.
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Probably a lot smarter than you are.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:51 am to mmcgrath
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It's not more "dangerous", but it is more "wrong". Teachers shouldn't teach their opinions as fact in the classroom. I can't tell Rush to put a sock in it. Well I can tell him, I just couldn't force him to shut up.
I can agree with that.
For the record, I don't think one is any more dangerous than the other. I was just posing a question as many seem outraged over this, yet barely bat an eye when Obama is constantly compared to Hitler by many right-wing radio hosts and columnists.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:51 am to The Spleen
Now it's very early in my college career. So who knows if this is normal with how college normally works, but I would think political views, religion, or subjects like this wouldn't or shouldn't be involved within certain classrooms environments. I'm already witnessing a few uncomfortable moments and one of those classes has been English1101. I'm taking English only to become a better writer and critical thinker. Sure didn't take it to listen to someones thoughts on certain political parties or how beliefs are seen. You can sightly feel the tension spread throughout the classroom when certain subjects are brought up by certain teachers. I like my English teacher by the way so this isn't some hate on a teacher because they're unlikeable situation. I can understand a teacher wanting to talk about subjects they're probably most familiar with, and political/religion are heavily debatable subjects too. Just seems there would be many other subjects to talk about instead. Throw in they're delivered in such one-sidelined views and the classroom has been somewhat tainted.
Now if this was a political class or something in that nature. It would be open season, but to inject ones views into class or assignments is out of place. Shoot, even in a political class one-sided views are probably frowned upon. Matter of fact, I'm taking American National Government(POS2041) this semester, so I'll find out soon enough. I took this class so I'll get a better understanding of how the USA Government works, why it works that way way it does, USA History, and other important things. Plus, POS2041 falls into my required degree needs. I want to never again vote while not being as informed as one should be. You know, I want to become a better USA citizen.....
I understand that college is chosen by a person and elementary/high school isn't, but this is a public college institution. Many different views go into paying(Taxes)for that college, so it would only be fair that many different views be taught or not taught......
Now if this was a political class or something in that nature. It would be open season, but to inject ones views into class or assignments is out of place. Shoot, even in a political class one-sided views are probably frowned upon. Matter of fact, I'm taking American National Government(POS2041) this semester, so I'll find out soon enough. I took this class so I'll get a better understanding of how the USA Government works, why it works that way way it does, USA History, and other important things. Plus, POS2041 falls into my required degree needs. I want to never again vote while not being as informed as one should be. You know, I want to become a better USA citizen.....
I understand that college is chosen by a person and elementary/high school isn't, but this is a public college institution. Many different views go into paying(Taxes)for that college, so it would only be fair that many different views be taught or not taught......
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:53 am to UGATiger26
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I sort of agree with this, but I just have to advise you that, based on my experience in the classroom, 6th graders are not ready for that complex discussion. In fact, they're not even close to ready. It would be like throwing mathematical physics at them.
True. Of course it depends on IQ but I think smart kids can do complex critical thinking starting in 8th grade. Average kids more like 10th grade. Idiots...never, not even as adults.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:56 am to CptBengal
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One the person is FORCED to be there.
Okay, so it's safe to assume that during your schooling, anytime a teacher shared their personal beliefs on a topic, you adopted that same position? I can think of many examples from my schooling where a teacher injected his/her personal beliefs into a lesson, but I never felt forced to adopt those same beliefs.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 11:57 am to Pilot Tiger
The problem is that if she would have used President Obama as an example she'd be gone
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