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re: D. C. 6th grade homework assignment. Let's hear the responses.

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Posted by CptBengal
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Posted on 9/11/14 at 12:00 pm to
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Okay, so it's safe to assume that during your schooling, anytime a teacher shared their personal beliefs on a topic, you adopted that same position? I


oh my god dude.

You asked what the difference is.....I told you, and you still dont get it. How fricking dense are you?
Posted by TerryDawg03
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Posted on 9/11/14 at 12:01 pm to
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I'm not surprised. 10 years from now that same teacher will have a comparison of the greatness of Obama and Abraham Lincoln.


Both fascists, that's for sure. But Lincoln was worse.
Posted by The Spleen
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Posted on 9/11/14 at 12:02 pm to
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Now it's very early in my college career. So who knows if this is normal with how college normally works


It is. College professors are highly opinionated and think highly of themselves and rarely miss an opportunity to espouse their beliefs to the class. I had many from both sides of the political spectrum, and the good ones were the ones that facilitated spirited debate in their classrooms. It's one of the things that makes college great, IMO. I miss some of those heated political debates in some random english, or sociology, or economics class.

Don't take offense to it. Use it as a learning tool.
Posted by TerryDawg03
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Posted on 9/11/14 at 12:03 pm to
Seriously unreal. Teacher should absolutely be fired.
Posted by conservativewifeymom
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Posted on 9/11/14 at 12:04 pm to
EXACTLY!!!
Posted by The Spleen
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Posted on 9/11/14 at 12:07 pm to
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You asked what the difference is


I did? Where did I ask that? I asked which was more dangerous. In asking that I didn't state which one I thought was more dangerous, and later I actually agreed with someone that said the teacher example isn't really more dangerous, but is more wrong.
Posted by SquirrelyBama
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 9/11/14 at 12:15 pm to
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It is. College professors are highly opinionated and think highly of themselves and rarely miss an opportunity to espouse their beliefs to the class. I had many from both sides of the political spectrum, and the good ones were the ones that facilitated spirited debate in their classrooms. It's one of the things that makes college great, IMO. I miss some of those heated political debates in some random English, or sociology, or economics class. Don't take offense to it. Use it as a learning tool.

OK, thanks......
I'm definitely getting this vibe in my political class. Seems the teacher here really welcomes debate and different opinions. Suppose it's like the thinking that goes into the saying"The only stupid question, is the one not asked" We could also say "The only stupid opinion, is the one that doesn't exist" Let me chew on that 2nd quote, it might actual be stupid itself....lol
Posted by La Place Mike
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Posted on 9/11/14 at 12:17 pm to
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Both fascists, that's for sure. But Lincoln was worse.
Lincoln was a Mercantilist and Obama is a Fascists. Slight difference.
Posted by MSCoastTigerGirl
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Posted on 9/11/14 at 12:21 pm to
Unfrickingreal
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 9/11/14 at 12:34 pm to
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I thought Hitler used an attack on German soil as a justification to go to war against people who had nothing to do with said attack. Is that not true?


No, that is not true. Only a true idiot would break it down that simplistic. Good troll though.
Posted by Pinecone Repair
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Posted on 9/11/14 at 12:34 pm to
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 Throw in they're delivered in such one-sidelined views and the classroom has been somewhat tainted. 


I majored in poli sci and with the exception of two professors all others were hard lefties. Our books and required readings,take home articles,etc. everything was from a lib-prog perspective.

I was one of the only right leaning females in most classes and had to work harder to find evidence to support my beliefs while lib-prog students got some sort of weird automatic acceptance of whatever lefty idea they repeated. I argued with my professors constantly.

I laughed right out loud when one professor stated that the world would be a much kinder,safer,and rational place if more women were in positions of authority. I told him I thought that was sexist and he told me I was simply too androcentric to accept that a world ran by women would actually be a better world. To him this was just a matter of fact.
Another professor (like many others I'm sure) insisted that communism was good and that Americans were too greedy and materialistic to appreciate it .



Posted by TerryDawg03
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Posted on 9/11/14 at 12:50 pm to
Among the many fascist things Lincoln did, he jailed newspaper publishers/editors in the North who dissented with the Union. He wasn't just a mercantilist.
Posted by La Place Mike
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Posted on 9/11/14 at 1:20 pm to
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Among the many fascist things Lincoln did, he jailed newspaper publishers/editors in the North who dissented with the Union.
I will concede that point.
Posted by tigers102886
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 9/11/14 at 1:21 pm to
Would a 6th grader even know that much about Bush? 6th graders were likely in Kindergarten when Bush was last in office, and they have only known Obama as President.

I don't remember covering all that much about current history when in the 6th grade, and when we did, it wasn't until near the end of the school year since we generally covered history in chronological order.
Posted by gatorhata9
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Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 9/11/14 at 1:49 pm to
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Okay, so it's safe to assume that during your schooling, anytime a teacher shared their personal beliefs on a topic, you adopted that same position? I can think of many examples from my schooling where a teacher injected his/her personal beliefs into a lesson, but I never felt forced to adopt those same beliefs.



At 11 and 12 years old? Yes.

frick, you are stupid.
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 1:50 pm
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 9/11/14 at 1:54 pm to
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At 11 and 12 years old? Yes.


That's unfortunate. Sorry you didn't learn how to develop your own opinions at a younger age.
Posted by ItNeverRains
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Posted on 9/11/14 at 2:02 pm to
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For the record, I don't think one is any more dangerous than the other. I was just posing a question as many seem outraged over this, yet barely bat an eye when Obama is constantly compared to Hitler by many right-wing radio hosts and columnists.


So 6th grade teachers =\= radio hosts & columnists?

That's just willfully ignorant. There is no way you have the aptitude to log on TD and not see the difference.

One is painfully more dangerous than the other
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 9/11/14 at 2:02 pm to
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Okay, so it's safe to assume that during your schooling, anytime a teacher shared their personal beliefs on a topic, you adopted that same position? I can think of many examples from my schooling where a teacher injected his/her personal beliefs into a lesson, but I never felt forced to adopt those same beliefs.
What's next Spleen, a rational justification for NAMBLA?
When kids are 11 or 12, they're no more vulnerable than adults, right?
That is the gist of your defense here, correct?

Seriously.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 9/11/14 at 2:18 pm to
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That is the gist of your defense here, correct?


Defense of what? I'm just trying to understand why this instance(which I agree is a stupid teaching lesson) is more cause for outrage than the numerous Obama/Hitler comparisons. And I acknowledged in an earlier post that "more dangerous" was a poor way to word it, and agreed the teaching lesson was more wrong than the radio host example I presented. In my eyes, both are wrong and stupid, yet only one seems to garner outrage here. Just trying to understand why that is.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 9/11/14 at 2:25 pm to
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I sort of agree with this, but I just have to advise you that, based on my experience in the classroom, 6th graders are not ready for that complex discussion. In fact, they're not even close to ready. It would be like throwing mathematical physics at them.


What? My son's 2nd grade class does comparable analysis and critical thinking exercises every week. Now, their observations are arguments aren't what you would expect from a child in high school but the importance is on learning the process.
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