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Posted on 9/3/14 at 3:58 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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"The Badgers dominated the game until the sudden turn of events in the final quarter. Wisconsin held LSU to 16 yards rushing and six first downs in the first half and Melvin Gordon opened the second half with a 63-yard run to set up Clement's 2-yard TD run with 12:24 remaining." LINK From Nola.com "Jennings played the first seven series for the Tigers, who had trouble moving the ball consistently. Wisconsin dominated both lines of scrimmage and outrushed the Tigers 173-17." LINK From Sporting News "Wisconsin dominated LSU for two-and-half quarters. The Badgers rolled up more than 250 rushing yards to that point and had a 24-7 lead with 12:55 left in the third quarter. " LINK
I'm an LSU fan, but I'm ending this argument, in chitown badger's favor, by virtue of the mercy rule.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 4:04 pm to Penrod
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I'm an LSU fan, but I'm ending this argument, in chitown badger's favor, by virtue of the mercy rule.
The one that says UW dominated into the final quarter is a stretch for sure. I'd say UW got dominated the final 1.5 quarters. The stats clearly bear that out, as does the eye test.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 11:14 am to Chucktown_Badger
Posted on 9/4/14 at 11:45 am to Chucktown_Badger
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START QTR POSS. YARD PLAYS YARDS RESULT 15:00 1 02:50 LSU 15 6 16 Punt 09:05 1 01:51 LSU 27 4 15 Punt 05:07 1 00:20 LSU 20 1 80 Touchdown 03:35 1 01:32 WIS 48 3 -1 Punt 13:24 2 01:06 LSU 16 3 4 Punt 10:35 2 00:25 LSU 29 2 2 FUMBLE 07:36 2 01:35 LSU 29 4 13 Punt 04:21 2 02:06 LSU 38 3 -9 Punt 01:26 2 01:05 LSU 31 4 22 PUNT
What were Wisconsin's first half drives? The second quarter was a push after the fumble gave Wisonsin a short field for a TD. I'm not one to play the ifs/buts game, but there's no telling how the game would have played out if it hadn't happened.
That being said, I'll give wisconsin dominating the first quarter, the first 5 minutes or so of the second, and the first 5 minutes if the 3rd.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 12:10 pm to Wayne Campbell
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What were Wisconsin's first half drives? The second quarter was a push after the fumble gave Wisonsin a short field for a TD. I'm not one to play the ifs/buts game, but there's no telling how the game would have played out if it hadn't happened. That being said, I'll give wisconsin dominating the first quarter, the first 5 minutes or so of the second, and the first 5 minutes if the 3rd.
So the defense doesn't get any credit for being in a position to cause/recover the fumble? And I'm not sure how an LSU fumble and resulting UW TD makes that quarter a push. Again, it's not just me saying this. It's all over the articles about the game, and anyone who watched it (and is not attached to either team) would agree with me.
Also, discounting the fumble would be like me discounting the fake punt in the middle of the third...but that doesn't make sense because it's a team making a play.
UWs first half drives. It's not pasting correctly, but they're here.
LINK
This post was edited on 9/4/14 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 9/4/14 at 12:39 pm to Chucktown_Badger
I said it was a push after the fumble and TD. I wasn't actually taking the fumble out of the equation. But to say they dominated the first half is disingenuous. Most of the second quarter was a push, with neither team able to really do anything.
It's just my opinion that had Wisconsin dominated the second quarter, the lead should have been larger than 10. The LSU defense started coming around in the second quarter, but people over look that because Wisconsin had the big drive to start the third.
Wisconsin won the first quarter, and the first five minutes of the second and third. 25 minutes, or roughly 1.66 quarters. LSU won the last 10 Mounties of the third quarter, and all of the fourth. 25 minutes, roughly 1.66 quarters. The last two-thirds or so of the second quarter were a push.
It's just my opinion that had Wisconsin dominated the second quarter, the lead should have been larger than 10. The LSU defense started coming around in the second quarter, but people over look that because Wisconsin had the big drive to start the third.
Wisconsin won the first quarter, and the first five minutes of the second and third. 25 minutes, or roughly 1.66 quarters. LSU won the last 10 Mounties of the third quarter, and all of the fourth. 25 minutes, roughly 1.66 quarters. The last two-thirds or so of the second quarter were a push.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 1:00 pm to Wayne Campbell
quote:but the part that wasn't a 'push' was dominated by Wisconsin... so...
Most of the second quarter was a push, with neither team able to really do anything.
Be honest, at halftime, you weren't thinking to yourself, "Well, they didn't dominate the whole second quarter."
The Badgers looked like the better team until about 9 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. Then it was all Tigers. But before that, I didn't think LSU would win more than 7 games this season.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 1:09 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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I was impressed with the showing by UW fans. I predicted about 15,000 there...seemed like there were more.
agreed looked like about 20k
Posted on 9/4/14 at 1:47 pm to Wideman
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Be honest, at halftime, you weren't thinking to yourself, "Well, they didn't dominate the whole second quarter."
At half time I thought it was still a very winnable game. About midway through the second quarter I realized if the defense could hold them to 3rd and medium/long situations, the opportunities would continue to be there for the offense because their QB couldn't throw his way out of a paper bag.
Doubt only started to creep in after Wisconsin scored in the third and LSU responded with only a field goal.
I thought they need to answer with a TD or the game would be out of reach.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:13 pm to Chucktown_Badger
This argument is silly. Wisconsin dominated for over two quarters. I could argue less by parsing more and saying, if you take away the six seconds that Gordon took to run down the field on this play and the eight seconds on that play, etc., then really Wisconsin only dominated for about 54 seconds. Really Chitown, you guys got your arse kicked for 59 minutes and 6 seconds.
About six minutes into the fourth quarter we were lining up to punt, down 24 to 7. That's domination by Wisconsin up to that point. If the game had ended right there, everyone in America would be saying LSU was dominated.
About six minutes into the fourth quarter we were lining up to punt, down 24 to 7. That's domination by Wisconsin up to that point. If the game had ended right there, everyone in America would be saying LSU was dominated.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:22 pm to Penrod
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About six minutes into the fourth quarter we were lining up to punt, down 24 to 7. That's domination by Wisconsin up to that point.
Well, someone didn't watch the game. The score was 24-13 at the end of the 3rd. And, LSU TOOK THE LEAD six minutes into the 4th quarter.
ETA: I'll say it again. Up by 3 at the end of the 1st quarter is not "domination". Wisconsin won the 2nd quarter. They came out strong at the beginning of the 3rd, but LSU came back strong in the middle of the 3rd quarter.
Really, Wisconsin "dominated" maybe 1.5 quarters.
This post was edited on 9/4/14 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:44 pm to Ignignot
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agreed looked like about 20k
Really? From our seats it looked like less than 15K. All of the lower sections on the Wisky sidelines had plenty of LSU fans in them.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:27 am to Chucktown_Badger
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You're obviously entitled to your opinion, but I guarantee that anyone without a rooting stake in that game would agree that UW dominated the game up until that fake punt.
Opinions are like the exhaust system on an elephant, everyone has one, but you back yours up with facts...
LSU was clearly outclassed in the first half and half of the third quarter as you mentioned...but depth and conditioning paid off in the end...
Thanks for the kind words and I hope y'all run the table...
My favorite take on the game was, every time they showed some red wisky fans on the big screen, they were always flashing the "W" with their hands & fingers, but after the game it looked like all they had enough strength to do was hold up one hand and it formed an "L"...
Hope to see you in Green Bay, planning the trip now!!!
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:23 am to Penrod
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About six minutes into the fourth quarter we were lining up to punt, down 24 to 7. That's domination by Wisconsin up to that point
The author of this statement is:
(a) Drunk
(b) Suffering from early onset Alzheimer's
(c) A product of the Louisiana public school system
(d) A Democrat
This post was edited on 9/5/14 at 9:24 am
Posted on 9/5/14 at 9:44 am to nycajun
Maybe all of the above, but give him credit, he just missed it by one quarter...
I imagine he was probably sitting on the edge of his seat, trying to decide whether to leave or stay at the game...
I imagine he was probably sitting on the edge of his seat, trying to decide whether to leave or stay at the game...
Posted on 9/5/14 at 10:00 am to Chucktown_Badger
First of all great game and good luck for the remainder of the season. Obviously we are a very young team so I was not surprised by the sloppy play - probably the youngest team on the field in Top 25.
Don't agree. Maybe still a draw. LSU adjusted out of the first half woes and Wisc got worse as the game went on. LSU started the backup center and he makes all the line calls. After the first Wisc possession in second half the Badgers got almost nothing running or passing.
I never really bought that story line. I felt like people were covering for someone because nobody could figure out why MG did not get more carries. He carried three more times after that and was in the game on pass protection too. In fact Wisc only ran 19 plays from scrimmage after that series not including punts. Gordon ran three times for net 1 yd. Clement ran four times, McEvoy ran twice. McEvoy passed 10 of those 19 plays and literally got nothing and had 2 INTs. The difference was LSU put Wisc behind the chains an loaded the box and enticed Wisc to pass...
As I said before Good Luck in Big 10 and season.
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- The UW O line was fantastic. Any talk of LSUs being vastly better should be settled.
Don't agree. Maybe still a draw. LSU adjusted out of the first half woes and Wisc got worse as the game went on. LSU started the backup center and he makes all the line calls. After the first Wisc possession in second half the Badgers got almost nothing running or passing.
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the injury to Gordon effectively taking him out of the game,
I never really bought that story line. I felt like people were covering for someone because nobody could figure out why MG did not get more carries. He carried three more times after that and was in the game on pass protection too. In fact Wisc only ran 19 plays from scrimmage after that series not including punts. Gordon ran three times for net 1 yd. Clement ran four times, McEvoy ran twice. McEvoy passed 10 of those 19 plays and literally got nothing and had 2 INTs. The difference was LSU put Wisc behind the chains an loaded the box and enticed Wisc to pass...
As I said before Good Luck in Big 10 and season.
This post was edited on 9/5/14 at 10:06 am
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