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Posted on 8/27/14 at 12:56 pm to Taxing Authority
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The 1980's called...
More like the 800's called.
They're still pissed at Oleg.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 1:07 pm to asurob1
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If Ukraine had retained hers, Crimea would still belong to them.
And the reason they don't have them is because of assurances made by the USA and UK.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 1:08 pm to LSURussian
The 80s called, they said Obama is a fricking dumbass. The 10s were on the call too and agreed.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 1:08 pm to udtiger
quote:What assurances?
And the reason they don't have them is because of assurances made by the USA and UK.
ETA: I'll answer it for you:
quote:The Budapest Memorandums
The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of[2] an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used;
There were no assurances of defense by any party if Ukraine was attacked.
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 8/27/14 at 1:15 pm to LSURussian
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In that case you are an idiot.
I stopped reading your stupidity-filled post after that.....
You have been bitching about this regional conflict since day one.
It remains a regional conflict.
We have no need to become involved in it.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 1:21 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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I think the truth is somewhere in between yall's opinions.
Likely.
I firmly believe we will never see another general war between major (nuclear) armed powers.
We will see plenty of grass wars between regional powers or wars of convenience like Iraq.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 1:22 pm to USMCTiger03
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The 80s called, they said Obama is a fricking dumbass. The 10s were on the call too and agreed.
Is Ukraine the 57th state?
Posted on 8/27/14 at 1:23 pm to asurob1
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You have been bitching about this regional conflict since day one. It remains a regional conflict. We have no need to become involved in it.
I hate it, but I think you are right, rob. I know a young lady who works for a business associate - tough gal - and they are pissed.
Honestly, I'm sick of carrying Europe's Defense water, while they give subsidies to their citizenry, and bitch at us because we don't. It's in their interest; let Europe get off their asses and deal with it.
I hate running out on an ally. The UN is WORTHLESS!
Posted on 8/27/14 at 1:25 pm to asurob1
And you have been a sandy vagina on this board ever since you joined it.
All I've said about the conflict is that the west needs to show some backbone and call Putin's bluff. Putin will not go to war with NATO if that organization just rustles its sword convincingly. By the west doing nothing it increases the chance of a wider conflict, not decreases it.
You are just so simple minded in your stupidity. It's easy to see you know nothing about Russian history or the Russian mentality.
All I've said about the conflict is that the west needs to show some backbone and call Putin's bluff. Putin will not go to war with NATO if that organization just rustles its sword convincingly. By the west doing nothing it increases the chance of a wider conflict, not decreases it.
You are just so simple minded in your stupidity. It's easy to see you know nothing about Russian history or the Russian mentality.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:43 pm to LSURussian
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All I've said about the conflict is that the west needs to show some backbone and call Putin's bluff. Putin will not go to war with NATO if that organization just rustles its sword convincingly.
This, but it's really up to Germany.
During the Cold War, the Bundeswehr was at about a 500k under arms, and 200k in reserve. In 2011 Germany removed the conscription requirement, and now stand at about 200k with about 150k in reserve.
I bet if Germany activated their reserves and re-instated conscription, Putin would be thinking twice about his belligerency. Perhaps Merkel is thinking the same thing but doesn't want to show her hand prematurely.
NATO would come into play only if Germany's (or Poland's - or any other NATO members') border was compromised. Not likely.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:46 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:Which is why I said "the west needs to show some backbone" not "the U.S. needs to show some backbone."
This, but it's really up to Germany.
Germany is included in "the west."
quote:
the west needs to show some backbone and call Putin's bluff.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 6:14 pm to asurob1
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If Ukraine had retained hers, Crimea would still belong to them.
In reality Ukraine would never have retained their nuclear weapons after the fall of the Soviet Union, the Budapest Memorandum was a face saving agreement to bolster Ukrainian sovereignty/independence. The Russians in 1991 believed that Ukraine and Belarus would be tied to them through the Commonwealth of Independent States, had the Ukrainians decided to try to keep their weapons in 1991 war between Russia and Ukraine would have been the likely result and the US would have backed our then "ally" Russia, as we were deathly afraid of nuclear proliferation. That was the main policy goal, not the independence of these new countries or containing Russia.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 7:03 pm to LSURussian
I love all the clever rehashing of Obama quips he has used over the years. I sure wish we had a media that would call him out on them.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 7:19 pm to LSURussian
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Germany is included in "the west."
And so is France.
And so is Italy.
And so is Portugal.
None of these are of any concern to Putin. Germany, and to some extent, Poland, are. That was my point, it's not just some amorphus "west" that could make a difference, but mainly Germany.
I'm not contradicting you, just narrowing it down. The actions of a single country here could make the difference. Unfortunately, they seem to be immobilized by a bad case of gas.
It could be too that Putin doesn't repect the fact that the Prime Minister and Minister of Defense for Germany are both women, and he's gambling that they don't have the stones to act.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 7:45 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
While I have no desire for the US to be directly involved, I would like to see the US supply radar jamming tech so Ukraine could establish air presence near the border and destroy anything that comes over the border from Russia.
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 8/27/14 at 7:54 pm to BobBoucher
The US should supply offensive weapons to the Ukrainian army. Ukraine made a mistake by not joining NATO. I really hope that the thug Putin can be stopped.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 8:16 pm to BobBoucher
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While I have no desire for the US to be directly involved, I would like to see the US supply radar jamming tech so Ukraine could establish air presence near the border and destroy anything that comes over the border from Russia.
There is no way for Ukraine to establish air superiority over their own air space. There just isn't.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 8:18 pm to AU86
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Ukraine made a mistake by not joining NATO.
The frick?
Really? You want to treat a border incursion into Ukraine like a border incursion into the US?
frick no. I don't even think the US should be a part of NATO any more. That's a cold war, anachronistic relict.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 8:44 pm to AU86
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Ukraine made a mistake by not joining NATO
The votes in the parliament were never there as long as Crimea and Eastern Ukraine were a part of the country, and there was even ambivalence and opposition in the central parts of the country, as those people thought a move to NATO might trigger civil war. Other NATO countries were also opposed to their admission. EU membership had some popularity but not NATO.
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