re: QB Play In 2014 - Better or Worse Than 2011?

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Manziel's worst game was his first game . . . if you don't count when he played LSU.

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Were you not alive in 2008?

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In my opinion Lee should've remained the starter, but let's not act like Lee was great and JJ was just horrible. There are people that actually believe JJ was the worst qb ever at LSU and that's just not true.

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He was decidedly below average for his entire career despite having an amazing supporting cast - some of the best and deepest teams in the history of the program. Without all of that talent he would have been even more of a train wreck. I don't think you can say he's the worst EVER, but he's probably the worst long-term starter.

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So Flynn sucked too.jj in 09 had a better passed rating than Flynn in 07.

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dude. Context matters for stats. 100 attempts isn't a very strong sample size when over 25% come from 1 game -- and he played great in that game.

He was a situational player when he came back and his style of play should lead to a very high passer rating compared to Flynn.

Flynn averaged over 29 attempts a game and over 200 yards a game. Jefferson's passing attempts were more controlled: 16 attempts a game and 100 yards

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I'm going to try and return some civility to this discussion.

The invective directed at Jefferson is pretty disappointing. But that's the main thing about some Jefferson detractors. What they lack in facts they make up for in hatred, hyperbole, and horrid language.


JaxTiger10 compared 2009 Jefferson to 2007 Flynn, NOT 2011 Jefferson to 2007 Flynn. Jefferson had more than 100 attempts in 2009, and there was not a single game with over 25% of his passes. For the record, Jefferson was not a situational player for the final six games of 2011.

Comparing 2009 Jefferson to 2007 Flynn, Jefferson had a better comp%, better QB Rating, better YPA, lower int%. That's also comparing a Tr Soph. to a RS Sr.

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What they lack in facts

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Is this some kind of joke? Jefferson left plenty facts in the stat line, as well as post game pressers and his general demeanor.

I don't even have an issue with him as a person. I met him at a baseball game, and he seemed like a very nice young man. Doesn't change the fact that he was an incredibly mediocre QB that had no business starting the last 5 games of 2011.

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Had JJ had the attitude and demeanor that JL carried on and off the field, he wouldn't be as despised as he is by so many LSU fans.

I get why people don't like him.

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And yet Jefferson's teammates and coaches loved him.

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I don't get why some of you continue to hate on JL.

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That's Part of the differences in the posts in these threads. People spew hatred on Jefferson with the invective of a deranged lunatic. People don't hate on Lee. They merely point out that Jefferson was better than Lee. That;s all. Jefferson wasn't a world beater. He was merely the QB who LSU the best chance to win. The head coach knew it. The OC knew it. The players knew it.

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Fact is LSU career wise....Lee got better as a qb, JJ got worse.

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Facts are facts.

Jefferson regressed one year. He was not better in 2010 than he was in 2009. However:
Jefferson was better in 2010 than 2008.
Jefferson was better in 2011 than 2009.
Jefferson was better in 2011 than 2010.

Lee was substantially worse in 2009 than 2008.

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Their attitudes were miles apart. One guy was a leader and had reps ect of his team. Other was a clown thug.

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That's YOUR perception. And while that is also the perception of some fants, that is not the perception of the coaches or his teammates.

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What they lack in facts

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Is this some kind of joke? Jefferson left plenty facts in the stat line, as well as post game pressers and his general demeanor.

I don't even have an issue with him as a person. I met him at a baseball game, and he seemed like a very nice young man. Doesn't change the fact that he was an incredibly mediocre QB that had no business starting the last 5 games of 2011.

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I complain about a lack of facts. You respond with a post completely devoid of facts.

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Doesn't change the fact that he was an incredibly mediocre QB that had no business starting the last 5 games of 2011.

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The coaching staff considered Jefferson to be the starter. Lee was merely keeping the seat warm. He did an admirable job. He wasn't particularly productive, but he didn't give games away in 2011. LSU ran and ran and ran some more. No DC went into an LSU game in 2011 looking to stop Lee. Lee averaged 19 pass attempts per game in the first 8 games of 2011.

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I complain about a lack of facts. You respond with a post completely devoid of facts.

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Stats are facts. His attitude that he himself portrayed is factual. I did not make it up. You want the actual stats, look up. I just posted them.

ETA: stats

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The coaching staff considered Jefferson to be the starter.

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Mistakes are made all the time. JL was the better QB against better competition and deserved the job based off actual play. It's really not debateable.

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Lee was merely keeping the seat warm

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Yea, leading the SEC in efficiency is merely just holding a place. GTFO.

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And yet Jefferson's teammates and coaches loved him.

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I hope this is a joke. Please provide link cuz I ain't buying it.
I don't hate the kid (anymore) but as BOX said, he had no business playing the remainder of the 11 season.
You go with the horse that brought you. Yes he savedthe day against Bama...BUT...is that a good enough reason to completely butt fk Lee for his efforts? I think not.

Ok, clearly I'm just dealing with a fool. Lee "regressing" from 2008 to 2009 was due to ... wait for it... way less attempts because he was no longer the starter. You're trying to say he majorly regressed, and you base that off a sample size of 40 passes. 40. Let me say that one more time.... 40! You're a joke.