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re: QB Play In 2014 - Better or Worse Than 2011?
Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:27 am to LNCHBOX
Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:27 am to LNCHBOX
quote::smh: None so blind. You just continue to willfully and blissfully ignore the numbers. Jefferson had better numbers than Lee at the end of the season. Those numbers exist.quote:The reason that doesn't count is the same reason you can't say Lee majorly regressed in 2009.
If Jefferson would have had enough starts to qualify, he would have led the league in efficiency at the end of the 2011 season.
quote:Lee's legacy depends on those two misses, as well as his yanking in the GOTC. And he should probably get down on his knees and thanks God everyday for his time on the sideline. He's a martyr for the True Believers in the Church of Latter Day Efficiency.
We'll never know what would have been his stats against UGA or Bama part 2.
We do know his stats from Bama part 1. The game that all Jefferson bashers seem to ignore and forget. It's as though 2011 had 8 regular season games and two championship games.
Oh, and we do know Lee's stats from the Bama prequels.
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Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:33 am to Salviati
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Jefferson had better numbers than Lee at the end of the season.
Against 3 cupcakes. Take Lee's best 3 games and see if JJ is still ahead.
How you aren't getting that it's too small a sample size is beyond me.
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Lee's legacy depends on those two misses, as well as his yanking in the GOTC. And he should probably get down on his knees and thanks God everyday for his time on the sideline. He's a martyr for the True Believers in the Church of Latter Day Efficiency.
Now I get it. You're a moron.
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We do know his stats from Bama part 1. The game that all Jefferson bashers seem to ignore and forget.
67 yards and no TDs. A banner day for JJ.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:40 am to Salviati
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. Lee regressed from 2009 to 2008.
yes, that would make sense as it is going BACKWARDS in time.
You really are JJ, aren't you? I knew he was dumb, but damn.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:51 am to LNCHBOX
quote:First, it wasn't against three cupcakes. Arkansas was ranked #3, just like Oregon was ranked #3 when LSU played them. Want to compare those numbers?quote:Against 3 cupcakes.
Jefferson had better numbers than Lee at the end of the season.
Second, those three games were not the worst three teams LSU played in 2011. In fact, none of them were the worst team LSU played. In fact, only one of them was in the bottom five.
But keep on trying to ignore the facts or endeavor to attempt to poke tiny little pin holes in them. The numbers exist. They will always exist.
quote:Well, there you go again. You Jefferson bashers seem to have completely blocked out the fact that Lee played in that game. It's amazing how you repeatedly ignore and forget Lee's performance in that game. I guess it's necessary for you or otherwise Lee would not be the martyr he is for you.quote:67 yards and no TDs. A banner day for JJ.
We do know his [Lee's] stats from Bama part 1. The game that all Jefferson bashers seem to ignore and forget.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 12:12 pm to Salviati
They both stunk (to a degree) in the first game....JJ just stunk a little less....whats your point?
JJ DID NOT get us in the end zone in that game. He did manage to keep plays alive with his legs and did manage to avoid serving up the ball to the Bama D on a silver platter...unlike Lee. BUT,
Reid/Claiborne/Alleman won the dam game for us.
If we had of stuck JL out there in the NCG, I can't believe his numbers could have been ANY WORSE than JJs.
JJ DID NOT get us in the end zone in that game. He did manage to keep plays alive with his legs and did manage to avoid serving up the ball to the Bama D on a silver platter...unlike Lee. BUT,
Reid/Claiborne/Alleman won the dam game for us.
If we had of stuck JL out there in the NCG, I can't believe his numbers could have been ANY WORSE than JJs.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 12:15 pm to RedTigerRulz
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I don't hate the kid (anymore) but as BOX said, he had no business playing the remainder of the 11 season.
Why? Cause he got into a fist fight that resulted in a GJ voting out a misdemeanor charge??? You kidding me...right. In most cases that I have ever heard bout, a 4 game suspension for a fight would be considered extremely harsh punishment but you want a yr??? Yeah, no "hate" going here.
LSU had a center on the same team with a misdemeanor conviction who didn't miss a game, but some wanted JJ suspended for a yr! The "hate" still runs deep in in some.
For his career JL had 31 TDs and 21 ints and a passing rating of 120. For JJs career, 46 TDs combined, 20 ints, and a passing rating of 126. The 2011 offense stats for the 14 game season was almost exactly the same no matter the QB.
But one QB is seen by some to have shined at LSU and one is seen to have sucked at LSU. For me, they were both mediocre but with moments or games of good SEC QB play.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 12:16 pm to Salviati
Holy shite you're dumb. Western Kentucky was garbage. Ole miss was garbage, and Arkansas was incredibly overrated. Lee played better competition than that, and it's not debatable.
And as for ignoring Lee playing in game one. I literally just said he wasn't good.
And as for ignoring Lee playing in game one. I literally just said he wasn't good.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 12:17 pm to Lonnie4LSU
JJ shouldn't have started because Lee was the superior player that war outside of two throws in Tuscaloosa. Nothing to do with off the field issues.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 12:20 pm to RedTigerRulz
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Reid/Claiborne/Alleman won the dam game for us.
Wing was, without question, the MVP of that game IMHO.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 12:44 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:The professionals who were paid to make that decision disagree with you. The overwhelming facts disagree with you.
JJ shouldn't have started because Lee was the superior player that war outside of two throws in Tuscaloosa.
The only thing you have is your heart and your opinion.
I'm sure someone likes them, but they are not persuasive.
I prefer the overwhelming facts and the experts.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 12:44 pm to LNCHBOX
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JJ shouldn't have started because Lee was the superior player that war outside of two throws in Tuscaloosa. Nothing to do with off the field issues.
The post I was responding to said, " he had no business playing the remainder of the 11 season."
Big difference between "playing" and "starting"?
I am not going to beat up on JL too much cause I think he showed a lot of heart in his time at LSU, but his play vs. Bama both in the 2011 game and for his career, for 95% of the time, was disturbingly poor.
Each to our own, but I cant blame the staff too much for looking ahead and deciding they might better get someone else ready.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 1:07 pm to Salviati
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The professionals who were paid to make that decision disagree with you.
And?
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The overwhelming facts disagree with you.
How? How do the stats from the last two games disagree with me? quote:
The only thing you have is your heart and your opinion.
And JJ's play on the field.
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I prefer the overwhelming facts
I really think you have no clue what these words mean.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 1:27 pm to lsu2006
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Wing was, without question, the MVP of that game IMHO
Maybe....but I'm still pissed at that frickin Aussie for PF in the florida game!Posted on 8/27/14 at 1:29 pm to RedTigerRulz
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but I'm still pissed at that frickin Aussie for PF in the florida game!
Why? That may be the greatest thing he ever did as a Tiger. We embarrassed a storied program so badly that our punter taunted them as he strolled into the endzone. You can't make that kind of stuff up.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 1:32 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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The post I was responding to said, " he had no business playing the remainder of the 11 season
I'll amend my previous statement then...he shouldn't have STARTED the rest of that season.
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but his play vs. Bama both in the 2011 game and for his career, for 95% of the time, was disturbingly poor
True but we will still never know what he might have done in the NCG given the chance. I still fail to see how it could have gotten any worse.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 1:33 pm to LNCHBOX
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Why? That may be the greatest thing he ever did as a Tiger. We embarrassed a storied program so badly that our punter taunted them as he strolled into the endzone. You can't make that kind of stuff up
I was really just joking...I personally loved it.....the subsequent penalty called was a load of hot garbage.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 1:36 pm to RedTigerRulz
I know you were. I just love everything about that play. 
Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:30 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:They know more than you about Jefferson and Lee quantitatively and qualitatively. You are free to give your opinion, but no one is paying you to give it, and no one is paying you for your decision about it.quote:And?
The professionals who were paid to make that decision disagree with you.
quote:The stats from the last two games mean little in a comparison between Lee and Jefferson.
How do the stats from the last two games disagree with me?
I'll tell you what. I'll grant you a small concession. Maybe Jefferson wasn't THAT much better than Lee. Maybe the coaches were wrong. Maybe the players were wrong. Maybe the way you try to contort the facts to fit your narrative has some quantum of merit.
I'll concede that Jefferson was only a little bit better than your martyr.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:33 pm to Salviati
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I'm going to try and return some civility to this discussion.
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What they lack in facts they make up for in hatred, hyperbole, and horrid language.
Are you really now?
I think I've provided plenty of facts.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:33 pm to Salviati
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You are free to give your opinion, but no one is paying you to give it, and no one is paying you for your decision about it.
and nobody is paying you either, Jordan.
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