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re: QB Play In 2014 - Better or Worse Than 2011?
Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:34 pm to Salviati
Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:34 pm to Salviati
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They know more than you about Jefferson and Lee quantitatively and qualitatively. You are free to give your opinion, but no one is paying you to give it, and no one is paying you for your decision about it.
I forgot that makes them perfect. I'll remember that next time.
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The stats from the last two games mean little in a comparison between Lee and Jefferson
Good thing I didn't use them in the context. In the context I used them, JJ sucking donkey dick as a QB on the biggest stages, they mean very much.
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I'll tell you what. I'll grant you a small concession. Maybe Jefferson wasn't THAT much better than Lee. Maybe the coaches were wrong. Maybe the players were wrong. Maybe the way you try to contort the facts to fit your narrative has some quantum of merit.
I'll concede that Jefferson was only a little bit better than your martyr.
You can do whatever you want. Lee was better than Jefferson in 2011 with the exception of two passes in the first half of the GOTC. JJ then took a shite on our great year with his abysmal play at QB for the last 8 quarters of his career.
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Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:35 pm to TigerBait1127
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I think I've provided plenty of facts.
He ignores the facts. Padding stats against WKU and Ole Miss makes JJ the better QB that year
Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:36 pm to LNCHBOX
As long as one of them steps up and offers 50% of the leadership and heart Mett showed us (which equals about 100000x the leadership JJ showed us).... I will be happy
Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:41 pm to Salviati
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Here comes the ad hominem.
You're really going to attempt to bring up fallacies when you've been appealing to authority over and over again?
Also, you insulted when you entered/reentered the thread
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Maybe the players were wrong
How many players did you know on the team in 2011? I lived with 2 of them.
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:50 pm to RedTigerRulz
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but we will still never know what he might have done in the NCG
For us to have come back in the 2nd half in that game it would have taken DB and a few of his OL.
But hey, if you want to play what if going into the 3rd season after that game, so be it.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:56 pm to Lonnie4LSU
You know as well as I do the "what if" is going to continue to pop up from time to time forever.
I can stop posting about it.....but others are going to continue to re-hash.
I can stop posting about it.....but others are going to continue to re-hash.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:57 pm to RedTigerRulz
O Line is way better this year than in 2011...that a lone improves qb play
Posted on 8/27/14 at 3:57 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:It is not a fallacy to use authority in the manner in which I used it.
You're really going to attempt to bring up fallacies when you've been appealing to authority over and over again?
quote:I did not make an ad hominem attack when I entered/re entered the thread.
Also, you insulted when you entered/reentered the thread
You seem to have a problem understanding fallacies.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 4:08 pm to Salviati
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It is not a fallacy to use authority in the manner in which I used it.
Come on Jordan, please tell me you understand something, anything about proper argument construction.Posted on 8/27/14 at 4:20 pm to Salviati
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It is not a fallacy to use authority in the manner in which I used it.
Seriously?
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I'll take the opinion of paid professionals with 10 times the amount of personal observation of both players over your opinion. It's really not debateable.
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The professionals who were paid to make that decision disagree with you.
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You are free to give your opinion, but no one is paying you to give it, and no one is paying you for your decision about it.
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I did not make an ad hominem attack when I entered/re entered the thread.
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The invective directed at Jefferson is pretty disappointing. But that's the main thing about some Jefferson detractors. What they lack in facts they make up for in hatred, hyperbole, and horrid language.
That was your response to me. I actually like JJ and have said nothing about his character.
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You seem to have a problem understanding fallacies.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 4:41 pm to AlxTgr
Besides Wisconsin if they struggle early against Sam Houston State and Louisiana Monroe, it will get ugly later in the SEC. I see good play early against the cream puffs and decent play in the SEC getting ugly wins going 10-2.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 4:54 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:Appeal to authority is a fallacy when the authority is giving an opinion in an area where the authority has no expertise or when the opinion of the authority is used to negate a fact.quote:Seriously?
It is not a fallacy to use authority in the manner in which I used it.
I used the opinion of the coaching staff to buttress the opinion that Jefferson is better than Lee. That is an opinion within their expertise.
I did not use the coaching staff's opinion to negate facts. For example, I did not use their authority to say that Lee threw for fewer yards than he actually did, or to say that Jefferson’s QB Rating was higher than it actually was.
quote:I did not make an ad hominem attack. I did not attack the posters. I did not say that Jefferson bashers are stupid, ignorant, ill-informed dumbasses that ignore the facts. More specifically, I made no mention of you.quote:
I did not make an ad hominem attack when I entered/re entered the thread.quote:That was your response to me. I actually like JJ and have said nothing about his character.
The invective directed at Jefferson is pretty disappointing. But that's the main thing about some Jefferson detractors. What they lack in facts they make up for in hatred, hyperbole, and horrid language.
Indeed, I attacked the posts of some Jefferson bashers; I attacked their arguments. I said that their posts lack facts. I said that their posts contain hatred, hyperbole, and horrid language.
That's an attack on the argument, not the person.
The mere fact that "some" Jefferson detractors post in a similar way is not an ad hominem attack either. I did not attack their intelligence or ability to distinguish their arse from a football. Again, the target of the attack was the lack of facts in the posts, and the presence of hatred, hyperbole, and horrid language in the posts.
By the way, I did not even mention your anecdotal fallacy . . . until now.
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 8/27/14 at 10:33 pm to Salviati
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Appeal to authority is a fallacy when the authority is giving an opinion in an area where the authority has no expertise or when the opinion of the authority is used to negate a fact.
Yes, that is correct, but not all inclusive. There are 2 forms. Keep reading
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More specifically, I made no mention of you.
you responded to me. quote:
; I attacked their arguments.
Really? What argument were you attacking in that rant?
Anyway, I'm down with this thread. Time to start drinking for Saturday
This post was edited on 8/28/14 at 12:09 am
Posted on 8/28/14 at 10:09 am to CptBengal
quote:If my use of authority qualified as an "appeal to authority" fallacy, you would have attempted to rip it to shreds and explain why. You would have attempted to show how smart you are and insulted me in your explanation as to why my use of authority constituted an "appeal to authority" fallacy.quote:
It is not a fallacy to use authority in the manner in which I used it.
But you didn't do that because you can't. And you can't do it because my use of authority does NOT constitute an "appeal to authority" fallacy.
You couldn't attempt to explain how my post was an "appeal to authority" fallacy, so you strung together a bunch of words in a weak attempt to try to suggest that I didn't understand the "appeal to authority" fallacy. And you hoped that the Rant was as ignorant about the "appeal to authority" fallacy as you obviously are.
In short, you couldn't find a flaw in my use of authority but you were desperate to attack me, so you projected your ignorance on to me.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 10:09 am to TigerBait1127
quote:You can't find anything wrong with my use of authority. So just like CptBengal, you cobble together some sentences in an attempt to cast aspersions on my knowledge. Please, don't ever talk to me about fallacies.quote:Yes, that is correct, but not all inclusive. There are 2 forms. Keep reading
Appeal to authority is a fallacy when the authority is giving an opinion in an area where the authority has no expertise or when the opinion of the authority is used to negate a fact.
quote:Again, you realized that you can't specify anything that constitutes an ad hominem attack in my post, so you try to force a reply that attempts to suggest that I am wrong.quote:
More specifically, I made no mention of you.
Yes, you are correct. I responded to you in that post. That's the best you could do. I never said I wasn't responding to you.
However, I did not make any reference to you in that post. I did not call YOU anything derogatory in that post. Indeed, I did not make any derogatory comment about any person in that post.
quote:My post attacks the vitriol and lack of facts in some Jefferson haters' posts. Let's look at my post, responding to you, that you call an ad hominem attack on you:quote:Really? What argument were you attacking in that rant?
I attacked their arguments.
quote:Context is key; although, it might not even be necessary here.
The invective directed at Jefferson is pretty disappointing. But that's the main thing about some Jefferson detractors. What they lack in facts they make up for in hatred, hyperbole, and horrid language.
What is attacked in my post is the lack of facts, and the invective, hatred, hyperbole, and horrid language in posts by some of the Jefferson detractors.
That is an attack on their posts, not the posters. I don't even know how posters can contain invective, hyperbole, horrid language, or a lack of facts. Clearly, my post was attacking the posts of SOME Jefferson bashers. If that is not immediately obvious, look at the words in the context of all three sentences.
quote:Yeah, I'm done with it too.
Anyway, I'm down with this thread.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 10:15 am to DeltaDoc
Worse for most of the year, but they'll play better in the SEC and national championship games.
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