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re: hearing the selection committee talk about criteria makes me 100% certain
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:08 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:08 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
What has to be seen is whether or not the new system will reward the best teams or the teams with the best seasons.
Until we see how they actually select, nothing else really matters.
Until we see how they actually select, nothing else really matters.
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:08 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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To be fair, he said they would take into consideration things like "starting QB was out in week 3....once he came back, the team continued being dominant", etc.
I can certainly see that if a team beat FSU with Winston out with a concussion...but, FSU smashed everyone else before and after he came back, it is reasonable to factor that into whether they deserve to be in the playoff or not.
I don't like that whatsoever.. Too much speculation. I seriously hate this idea of a committee.. just take the top 4 BCS teams instead goodness
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:12 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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2) IF we are going to compare all other things (that year) being the same as now...I'd say that "losing team" deserves to be in the playoff and suspect they'd be selected
it would have happened last year as well. Personally I like November games treated as de-facto elimination games, provided that the winner clearly belongs in the playoffs at the end of the season.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:31 am to TGK4LSU
quote:Hopefully someone will recreate the BCS standings from all the elements that are still available to compile. It will be interesting to see the differences between those 4 teams and the teams that are selected by the committee.
They do not want to see 2 SEC teams in the final again and to insure this, they opted out of using the BCS standings format.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 11:36 am to LSUfan4444
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What has to be seen is whether or not the new system will reward the best teams or the teams with the best seasons.
why is this even a question? if the "best team" loses 2 or 3 games, it shouldn't even be discussed. the point of playing a full slate and a playoff isn't to figure out who looks the best
Posted on 8/24/14 at 12:06 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
quote:So (let me get this straight) in other words, if this system would have been in place, the teams chosen for the 1/9/12 National Championship game would have been Alabama and OSU, skipping over 12-0, unbeaten, #1 ranked LSU... because Alabama was coming on strong late in the season and OSU looked hot?
"Insinuated that hot teams at the end of season will get bump over teams with better overall seasons"
To be fair, he said they would take into consideration things like "starting QB was out in week 3....once he came back, the team continued being dominant", etc... or a young team that won early (but not impressively) actually improving and getting dominant later would get more consideration than the previous "voters" once did.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 12:14 pm to WinnPtiger
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why is this even a question? if the "best team" loses 2 or 3 games, it shouldn't even be discussed. the point of playing a full slate and a playoff isn't to figure out who looks the best
Because not all schedules are created equally.
Like 2011. Bama was better than Ok St, but Ok St had the better season. What needs to be seen is whether or not the selection committee actually takes a 1 or 2 loss SEC or Pac 12 team with a strong OOC schedule over an undefeated team from another conference for example.
There is a lot of pressure to not penalize teams for playing tough OOC games, but we don't know till we see it put to use
Posted on 8/24/14 at 12:15 pm to Roaad
I think the selection committee is sorta bullshite.
I don't really mind the 4 team playoff, I think it is stupid to think 4 teams is really that much better than 2. IF you think picking a #2 team is arbitrary wait till you are trying to pick a #4 team.
Think about 2012
1- undefeated team
4 1 loss teams
one of those teams didn't play in a conference championship (Florida)
Then you have a situation like UGA who was a 1 loss team but had to play an extra game, and Florida didn't. So would you put in florida even thought had beaten them only to have to play another 1 loss team in the SEC championship?
Do you reward 11-1 Oregon over their conference champ Stanford who beat them head to head?
There is going to the same bullshite because there are 130 teams and there isn't enough time to have a proper percentage in the playoff.
College basketball has 68 teams
College Baseball has 64 and then a 8 team tournament
NFL football has 12 teams out of 32 in their playoffs. thats over a third.
The NBA has 16 teams out of 30.
the playoff is better but it will have its own problems, and letting people like Condeleeza Rice pick because she was a bama fan is stupid.
I don't really mind the 4 team playoff, I think it is stupid to think 4 teams is really that much better than 2. IF you think picking a #2 team is arbitrary wait till you are trying to pick a #4 team.
Think about 2012
1- undefeated team
4 1 loss teams
one of those teams didn't play in a conference championship (Florida)
Then you have a situation like UGA who was a 1 loss team but had to play an extra game, and Florida didn't. So would you put in florida even thought had beaten them only to have to play another 1 loss team in the SEC championship?
Do you reward 11-1 Oregon over their conference champ Stanford who beat them head to head?
There is going to the same bullshite because there are 130 teams and there isn't enough time to have a proper percentage in the playoff.
College basketball has 68 teams
College Baseball has 64 and then a 8 team tournament
NFL football has 12 teams out of 32 in their playoffs. thats over a third.
The NBA has 16 teams out of 30.
the playoff is better but it will have its own problems, and letting people like Condeleeza Rice pick because she was a bama fan is stupid.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 12:17 pm to GeauxPack81
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How many years of them picking teams like USC and Texas that will get dominated by SEC teams in the playoff, until they finally start picking better teams?
What is this supposed to mean? How many times does the #2 SEC team have to get it's arse kicked in the Sugar Bowl for SEC fans to realize good teams in other conferences can compete with and beat SEC teams. 2 middle of the pack Big XII teams joined the SEC and in 2 years both have had success. Missouri in just 2 years in the SEC played in the SEC CG as many times as they did in the "weak" Big 12. The SEC is the best conference, it is not invincible.
If you think they will just pick "lesser" teams to avoid having 2 SEC teams you are delusional. The teams that make the playoff will teams in the top 6 or so and have 1 or 2 loses at most. They should give more weight to winning your conference or at least division, other wise you will have teams that benefit by missing the CCG.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 12:21 pm to SammyTiger
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and letting people like Condeleeza Rice pick because she was a bama fan is stupid.
it's absolutely absurd. she's going to be one of those "eye ball test" voters who completely screwed over oklahoma state after they beat the crap out of oklahoma in their conference championship game in 2011.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 12:22 pm to JawjaTigah
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So (let me get this straight) in other words, if this system would have been in place, the teams chosen for the 1/9/12 National Championship game would have been Alabama and OSU, skipping over 12-0, unbeaten, #1 ranked LSU... because Alabama was coming on strong late in the season and OSU looked hot?
LSU ended the season beating the #3 Arkansas and #12 UGA so i think we would still be in and be considered hot at the end of the season
Posted on 8/24/14 at 12:27 pm to SammyTiger
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letting people like Condeleeza Rice pick because she was a bama fan is stupid.
What's stupid is comments like this. She is not on the committee because she is from alabama, suggesting as such is ignorant.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 12:36 pm to JawjaTigah
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So (let me get this straight) in other words, if this system would have been in place, the teams chosen for the 1/9/12 National Championship game would have been Alabama and OSU, skipping over 12-0, unbeaten, #1 ranked LSU... because Alabama was coming on strong late in the season and OSU looked hot?
How in the world did you come to an asinine conclusion like that? How is a 13-0 team that had beaten an unbeaten #2 team on the road in early November then won the next 4 games by a combined score of 177-39, which includes a 41-17 win over the #3 team and a 42-10 win in the SEC CG over a top 12 team in their back yard not considered "hot". Just because there will be many arbitrary factors involved does not mean it will be completely arbitrary and biased. Look at the final polls over the years, that's what the playoff is going to look at. Maybe they take the #5 or six team that was an11-2 conference winner over a #4 or 5 11-1 team that didn't win it's division, but that's about as controversial as it will get. Some of you are just looking for reasons to bash it and make up wild silly scenarios to work your self up.
What you should be more concerned about is teams like 2012 Florida that get essentially a bye in the playoff by missing the SEC CG because the #2 and 3 teams played each other.
This post was edited on 8/24/14 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 8/24/14 at 12:43 pm to Douboy
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That is bull shite. Part of the allure of a championship season is having it all come together. To completely erase that aspect would definitely cheapen the game. Plus, isn't the depth of a team important? If 1 guy goes down and your team turns to shite, then they don't deserve to be rewarded. Sounds like this may get worse if that is the sentiment of the PIC's.
I'll bet that Texas would have appreciated more QB depth when they had their NC shot against Bama.
Honestly though, I don't think that depth should be considered at all by voters because depth is something that isn't supposed to look good on paper or in a "what if" situation. Your depth either wins you games or it does not. Winning games get s you in the play offs.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 1:03 pm to Roaad
The playoff system was developed too keep SEC teams out.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 1:05 pm to Dick Macho
The BCS process was not the problem. The only issue (according to all the people that wanted a playoff) was that it only chose 2 teams instead of 4. The whole concept of a selection committee is so counter intuitive and simply silly. What is going to be funny is how 10 years from now they will use the BCS formula to choose the exact same 4 teams that the selection committee has chosen every single year. The chances of the race for the 4 spot to be so close between 2 teams is incredibly rare. Also, get ready to spend half of sportscenter talking about the #5 team in the nation and what they need to do this weekend all season long. Not that I care about Nascar, but they already do it there, spend the whole regular season talking about the number 10 spot to get into the chase instead of everyone above them.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 1:11 pm to Roaad
Too much bias. No matter if lsu wins 8 straight I still think they should never have scrapped the bcs. Get ur play off teams from the final bcs rankings. Don't leave it up to a bunch of people that have too many ties to other programs and that will not watch every game. These people have other jobs. I will never be convinced a committee is better than what we had.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 1:18 pm to Roaad
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Insinuated that hot teams at the end of season will get bump over teams with better overall seasons
Rohan Davey deserved a ring in 2001.
LSU v Miami. Yeah baby.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 1:34 pm to Kingpenm3
I think the only fair way to do it is have the five power conference champs get an auto-bid and then add 3 at-larges. The three at-larges would come from a BCS-like ranking system. The 1-4 seeds get to host the first round.
There is so much disparity between schedules that the guesswork of the old BCS system and the selection committee make the "championship" something of a joke compared to any other sport.
Look at the schedules of Stanford and FSU, going into their bowl games (shown opponents that finished the season ranked):
FSU (13-0): #8 Clemson, #24 Duke
Stanford (11-2): #9 Oregon, #16 UCLA, #19 USC, #20 Notre Dame, #21 Arizona St, #21 Arizona St, #25 Washington
I don't see how anyone could make heads or tails out of that.
There is so much disparity between schedules that the guesswork of the old BCS system and the selection committee make the "championship" something of a joke compared to any other sport.
Look at the schedules of Stanford and FSU, going into their bowl games (shown opponents that finished the season ranked):
FSU (13-0): #8 Clemson, #24 Duke
Stanford (11-2): #9 Oregon, #16 UCLA, #19 USC, #20 Notre Dame, #21 Arizona St, #21 Arizona St, #25 Washington
I don't see how anyone could make heads or tails out of that.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 1:35 pm to Roaad
The new system is worse than the old one. Having a committee pick the teams is a joke. Can you imagine Archie Manning giving LSU a fair chance? It would have been better if they had just stuck with the BSC rankings, and taken the top four teams. This new system will ensure that there will not be two SEC teams in the playoffs. They will have to expand to at least eight teams at some point because the new system is going to cause more problems than it solves.
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