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re: Is this part of the wussification of boys?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:40 pm to Zach
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:40 pm to Zach
Well a buddy of mines dad was close to the saints through the 80s and early 90s before he moved. He said after their playoff loss that half the players were crying like babies in the lockeroom. I remember watching Ouachita high lose a baseball game in elementary school, so around early 90s, lots of their players were crying because iirc it took away playoff chances after they lost. When did kids start becoming wuss's? Before the 80s?
Eta: if nfl players, let's say avg age in late 80s was 25, obviously grew up as kids in the 70s. So I guess kids in the 70s were wimps also. I mean, if they cried as adults over a game I'm sure they did as kids also.
Eta: if nfl players, let's say avg age in late 80s was 25, obviously grew up as kids in the 70s. So I guess kids in the 70s were wimps also. I mean, if they cried as adults over a game I'm sure they did as kids also.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 1:43 pm
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:42 pm to ballscaster
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ballscaster
You got real defensive real quick. I can think of maybe 1st through 4th graders fighting then crying because they got caught, not because they "won" a fight, and then especially not at 5th and 6th grade. It has nothing to do with people being tough, I just can't remember the last time I saw a kid cry for winning a fight other than being caught and punished.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:45 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Don't even get me started about LL. I hate the rule that if one team gets ten runs ahead they end the game so the boys on the losing team won't be humiliated. What ever happened to teaching the boys that "It ain't over until the last out"?
Because obviously the team is getting blown out and who wants to sit at a LL game for 6 hours waiting for the crappy team to finally finish the game?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:48 pm to Zach
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Little League World series. Players are 11-12-13 years old.
And are not allowed to take leads or steal bases.
There's your wussification.
/thread
inb4travel
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:48 pm to C
I grew up during the time that kids were cut from the team. In little league I felt bad because my best friend did not make the team.
I remember the coach saying when your name is called go stand on the first base line. We heard him tell the ones who got cut to come try out again next year.
My pal did not grow up to be a serial killer. Today, lawsuits would probably result.
I remember the coach saying when your name is called go stand on the first base line. We heard him tell the ones who got cut to come try out again next year.
My pal did not grow up to be a serial killer. Today, lawsuits would probably result.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:49 pm to Alt26
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In the five minutes of a game I watched last night I saw a kid from Chicago hit a monster HR. As he was coming home he did a bit of a showboating gesture. It wasn't necessarily to show up the other team, but to celebrate with his own teammates. Nevertheless, between innings his coach made him go to the other team's coach and apologize for his actions. I likely won't watch too much of the tournament, nor do I care who wins, but there is no doubt that the Chicago team is coached by some very respectable adults.
I hate how the media is rooting for the black Chicago team to win.
The boys on the other teams deserve to win just as much.
In fact, I am rooting for the other teams to beat the Chicago team like I root for Tiger Woods to lose just because the media roots for him to win simply because he is black.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:49 pm to windshieldman
Most of these "new" rules people are bitching about have been in place since LL started 
Eta: good lord, people still get cut for LL, just b/c they don't in your town doesn't mean they are all like that. Every LL in my area, football, baseball, cheerleading, dance line, have cuts
Eta: good lord, people still get cut for LL, just b/c they don't in your town doesn't mean they are all like that. Every LL in my area, football, baseball, cheerleading, dance line, have cuts
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:51 pm to Alt26
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However, there are also good moments. In the five minutes of a game I watched last night I saw a kid from Chicago hit a monster HR. As he was coming home he did a bit of a showboating gesture. It wasn't necessarily to show up the other team, but to celebrate with his own teammates. Nevertheless, between innings his coach made him go to the other team's coach and apologize for his actions. I likely won't watch too much of the tournament, nor do I care who wins, but there is no doubt that the Chicago team is coached by some very respectable adults.
Didn't see that part of the game, but watched a few innings of it. That Chicago team was a stand up team. That's very cool to hear.
With a very well coached catcher too.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:57 pm to Alt26
quote:This is spot on!
Now you've got a group of parents who tell their kids that they are the best ones on the team and that the coaches and other players are idiots. When things go wrong (and they will when you're playing other very good ballplayers) mommy's and daddy's little "all american" doesn't suck it up, but instead blames everybody else for his poor play. It is sad to see.
I saw a 9 yr old on my son's team cry because the coach sent another kid to the field one inning. Then the dad started a huge shouting match with the coach right behind the dugout fence.
The pussy mentality is ingrained in many of the parents these days, so the problem seems to go back to the past generation some.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:58 pm to windshieldman
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Most of these "new" rules people are bitching about have been in place since LL started
Not the "new" rules I'm bitchin' about.
And while I'm at it, I hate the LL using aluminum bats that won't break, are lighter and wider than the old wood bats just so that the boys can hit more home runs.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:01 pm to Zach
last nite i watched the secn special on the mannings. the first 40 minutes were about archie, his childhood, his football career.
the last 20 minutes were about archie and olivia raising their first two sons, conner and peyton.
peyton was a huge (HUGE) CRYBABY! they have minutes and minutes of him crying as a child.
the consensus was that he was a perfectionist from an childhood.
peyton manning's perfectionism was nurtured by a very loving family.
zach, you are a reflection of your nuturing. you weren't allowed to cry, you probably don't allow your children to cry and you criticize children!
might i recommend a good therapist! you have some deep emotional problems! imho
the last 20 minutes were about archie and olivia raising their first two sons, conner and peyton.
peyton was a huge (HUGE) CRYBABY! they have minutes and minutes of him crying as a child.
the consensus was that he was a perfectionist from an childhood.
peyton manning's perfectionism was nurtured by a very loving family.
zach, you are a reflection of your nuturing. you weren't allowed to cry, you probably don't allow your children to cry and you criticize children!
might i recommend a good therapist! you have some deep emotional problems! imho
Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:02 pm to Meauxjeaux
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That Chicago team was a stand up team. That's very cool to hear.
Why? Because they are Black?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:04 pm to Zach
I cried when I was kept out of the last high school football game I would ever be eligible to play in.
I also put myself through college, worked two jobs, and am contributing to society.
I also put myself through college, worked two jobs, and am contributing to society.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:12 pm to C
Nobody in my generation cried, ever. Every single kid cries every time anything happens. I'm Zach.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:13 pm to windshieldman
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Because obviously the team is getting blown out and who wants to sit at a LL game for 6 hours waiting for the crappy team to finally finish the game?
When they didn't have the rule I saw some "crappy" teams come back to win the game in the last inning even though they were more than 10 runs behind sometime during the game.
The lesson that was taught to those young boys was not to give up and to keep trying to win.
It is more important for that lesson to be taught to young boys than it is for parents not to have to sit through a long, lousy game.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:18 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:The lesson you never learned is that it's just a game that doesn't matter. You're doing it for fun. If one team is up by 15 runs in the 4th inning, the fun is over, and daddy has work tomorrow. Let's go home. I'm tired of watching you suck at baseball.
The lesson that was taught to those young boys was not to give up and to keep trying to win.
You were wussified into taking a child a game way too seriously.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:22 pm to DawgfaninCa
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When they didn't have the rule I saw some "crappy" teams come back to win the game in the last inning even though they were more than 10 runs behind sometime during the game.
Most of games ending in blowouts and getting called isn't to keep from hurting kids feelings. It's parents, coaches, and umpires having to go to work the next day. Also, keeping lights on at night cost money to the ballparks, they don't want games lasting till midnight when they should have been over at 9. Usually it's if a team is up by 10 past the 4th inning they call it. Every ballpark may have different rules regarding that.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:25 pm to ballscaster
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The lesson you never learned is that it's just a game that doesn't matter.
I actually don't fully agree with this. If winning doesn't matter, don't keep score.
It matters. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't take your loss like a man and strive to get better.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:33 pm to Navytiger74
quote:You keep score for the same reason you play the game and compete in general: it's fun. I played so much basketball as a kid that my friends and I eventually stopped keeping score.
I actually don't fully agree with this. If winning doesn't matter, don't keep score.
Applying knowledge you've gained from your coach and hitting the cutoff man correctly to get a guy out at the plate, for example, can be more important than the final score. It shows that that kid knows how to take instruction when appropriate.
As far as little league baseball is concerned, the game matters as much or as little as the kids playing say it does (with appropriate respect to whatever sacrifices parents and coaches may make to involve their children in the activity).
If a kid cries because he flies out to the warning track, I don't really have a problem with that in a vacuum (if he throws tantrums constantly, that's another issue); if a kid goofs off, sucks, and blows every other game and doesn't care, that's not a problem, either (I may not pony up the money for him to play next year, but I'm not going to be mad at him for not placating me by taking baseball as seriously as I seem to remember taking it when I was his age).
Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:34 pm to windshieldman
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Most of games ending in blowouts and getting called isn't to keep from hurting kids feelings. It's parents, coaches, and umpires having to go to work the next day. Also, keeping lights on at night cost money to the ballparks, they don't want games lasting till midnight when they should have been over at 9. Usually it's if a team is up by 10 past the 4th inning they call it. Every ballpark may have different rules regarding that.
BS.
The rule was put into effect so that the boys on the losing team did not have to experience being humiliated.
Most LL games are played in the daytime on fields that don't even have lights and the game can be called if it takes so long it gets too dark to play.
Boys who love playing baseball want to play the full game because there is always a chance to come back and win.
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