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Does the evidence even matter in the Brown shooting?

Posted on 8/19/14 at 7:59 am
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 7:59 am
If it is shown through ballistics and so forth that is is likely the cops side of the story reported yesterday is true, that he was rushed and shot in self defense, does it even matter?

Narrative appears to have been set to me. Unarmed black teen shot by white cop. I don't think the people currently "demonstrating", rioting and looting care much about anything or are going to see things any differently no matter what the evidence shows.

Meaning, if everything points towards the cop not being indicted, expect more and bigger problems.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
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Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:01 am to
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if everything points towards the cop not being indicted, expect more and bigger problems.


Well that's a given.
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:01 am to
It will make LA look a carnival.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:03 am to
quote:

does it even matter?

to the emotional-irraitonal? no

just like with trayvon. they believe a narrative and that's all they will accept. their self-delusion is that both were murdered without provocation in cold blood

every time one of these memes emerge, you get to see the full display of irrationality and emotional thinking on full display in real time

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I don't think the people currently "demonstrating", rioting and looting care much about anything or are going to see things any differently no matter what the evidence shows.

they are just trying to engage the cops and pick fights to prove points. the fricking media (CNN in particular) is even doing this
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
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Member since Oct 2004
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:05 am to
If you think things are bad now, just sit back right easy and laugh if this cop gets exonerated. Why do you think Holder is there? He's making damn sure anything that clears the policeman is swept under the rug.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:07 am to
quote:

I don't think the people currently "demonstrating", rioting and looting care much about anything or are going to see things any differently no matter what the evidence shows.


Agreed, but I don't think it's because of any narrative. Had the police been a little more forthcoming with info from the start, some of the negative sentiment would have been abated. The local police have created their own narrative which has caused a lot of the animosity. At this point, there's no reasonable outcome to this.
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:13 am to
quote:

Narrative appears to have been set
Posted by a want
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:16 am to
quote:

If it is shown through ballistics and so forth that is is likely the cops side of the story reported yesterday is true, that he was rushed and shot in self defense, does it even matter?

At this point, no. Had they been more forthcoming with information on the investigation, they may have earned the public's trust. But not now.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
32390 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:22 am to
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if everything points towards the cop not being indicted, expect more and bigger problems.


That is why I am in favor of the independent and outside special prosecutor being named - assuming that he/she can remain unbiased.
Posted by Pinecone Repair
Burminham
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:34 am to
No.
We aren't a nation of reason,and law anymore.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
80261 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:36 am to
quote:

Does the evidence even matter in the Brown shooting?


For outsiders without and agenda, yes...

For people with an agenda, nope...
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
35036 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:46 am to
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Does the evidence even matter in the Brown shooting?


Nope. Because the aggrieved believe that it's the fault of the Capitalist system that drives youth to desperation, frustration and rogue rebellion to the Authority that supports the 'unjust' system.

Holder to the rescue.
Posted by Scoop
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Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:48 am to
I am interested to watch how Holder conducts himself later today.

One has to assume that he is going to get the full on briefing and know everything there is to know. Assuming that the St. Louis reporter's tweet about there being 12 official witnesses on record as backing up the cop's version as accurate, does Holder go in front of any microphones and validate the protests after getting said briefing?

If Holder knows that MB's shooting was a clean shooting, does he try and walk back the administration's position of legitimizing the protests or does he stoke the flames?
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89641 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:55 am to
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Meaning, if everything points towards the cop not being indicted


The cop will be indicted - if not by the local or state authorities, then for federal civil rights violations. At least based on what little evidence we've been presented, I hope I'm wrong.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36128 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:56 am to

Yes it matters, but bear in mind this riot is about much more than the Brown shooting. Its been brewing for a while, Brown was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
99314 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:02 am to
To the race pimps? No.
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:02 am to
quote:

If it is shown through ballistics and so forth that is is likely the cops side of the story reported yesterday is true, that he was rushed and shot in self defense, does it even matter?


The black woman on Cooper360 said basically at this point, no it doesn't matter...the mistrust of government and police is too high to overcome.

thank you journalist! Your hands on this mess
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:12 am to
quote:

If it is shown through ballistics and so forth that is is likely the cops side of the story reported yesterday is true, that he was rushed and shot in self defense, does it even matter?


Before last night's events, I would have said no. Today I will say I am leaning ever so slightly away from no.
Posted by member12
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Member since May 2008
32127 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:29 am to
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If it is shown through ballistics and so forth that is is likely the cops side of the story reported yesterday is true, that he was rushed and shot in self defense, does it even matter?

Narrative appears to have been set to me. Unarmed black teen shot by white cop. I don't think the people currently "demonstrating", rioting and looting care much about anything or are going to see things any differently no matter what the evidence shows.


The facts do not matter. This is being drilled as a racially charged incident by the media. That's what drew the response. That is what will keep this in the news for the forseable future.

quote:

Meaning, if everything points towards the cop not being indicted, expect more and bigger problems.


This is how some people want it.
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