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re: What Happens When A Jew Marries A Gentile In Israel
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:46 am to trackfan
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:46 am to trackfan
Of course you know trackfan that the Muslim communities within Israel itself are quite content with the laws barring Jewish-Muslim interfaith marriages because by extension, it gives them control over marriage, divorce and family law in their own communities. If everything was opened up and religious leaders didn't have control over marriage law in Israel, then those Muslim (and Druze and Arab Christian) leaders would have to relinquish control. That's in part what's perpetuating that issue.
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:55 am to maine82
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Of course you know trackfan that the Muslim communities within Israel itself are quite content with the laws barring Jewish-Muslim interfaith marriages because by extension, it gives them control over marriage, divorce and family law in their own communities. If everything was opened up and religious leaders didn't have control over marriage law in Israel, then those Muslim (and Druze and Arab Christian) leaders would have to relinquish control. That's in part what's perpetuating that issue.
Ridiculous! Of course we know only the Jews in Israel wanted those laws.
/sarcasm
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:05 am to trackfan
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Israel
most racist, xenophobic country I've ever visited.
what goes around comes around and something's gonna come around..
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:07 am to KCT
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What happens when you ask trackfan to acknowledge and condemn worldwide acts of terrorism committed in the name of Islam?
He runs away.......
how is this relevant to the thread?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:09 am to trackfan
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Interracial couples in the U.S. never had it this bad even at the height of Jim Crow.
Um, seems as though a few fanatics threw a fit but the wedding party enjoyed the protection of the state. I know you're an older black man, so there's no way you believe this is worse than Jim Crow was. You know, when interracial marriage was literally illegal.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:12 am to maine82
Can we all agree that religious authorities should not be the arbitors of state-sanctioned marriages, and that nations where they do call the shots, aren't truly democratic?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:16 am to Navytiger74
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Um, seems as though a few fanatics threw a fit but the wedding party enjoyed the protection of the state. I know you're an older black man, so there's no way you believe this is worse than Jim Crow was. You know, when interracial marriage was literally illegal.
There's no doubt that interracial couples caught hell at one time in certain parts of the country, but I don't think they ever needed this type of heavy police protection just to keep them alive during the ceremony.
EDIT: Besides, this is 2014, not 1914, and the reason given by the folks on Capitol Hill for our unquestioned support for Israel is that Israelis share our values. It may be true that they share our pre-civil rights values, but certainly not our modern-day values.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 10:20 am
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:19 am to trackfan
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here's no doubt that interracial couples caught hell at one time in certain parts of the country, but I don't think they ever needed this type of heavy police protection just to keep them alive during the ceremony.
No b/c they just hung people with no repercussions. The citizen took the law in his own hands to protect the white race.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:22 am to StraightCashHomey21
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No b/c they just hung people with no repercussions. The citizen took the law in his own hands to protect the white race.
There's some truth to that, but don't we look back at those days as a dark chapter in our history?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:27 am to trackfan
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Can we all agree that religious authorities should not be the arbitors of state-sanctioned marriages
Sure, and I think the majority of Israeli Jews would agree with you.
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and that nations where they do call the shots, aren't truly democratic?
Compared to what? If we're comparing them to their neighbors, Israel is easily the most democratic country in the Middle East.
Once again, latest Freedom House rankings on Israel: LINK
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:38 am to trackfan
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Can we all agree that religious authorities should not be the arbitors of state-sanctioned marriages, and that nations where they do call the shots, aren't truly democratic?
Which would you rather live under in this regard if there were no other options, Palestinian rule or Israeli rule? Not a rhetorical question I really want to know your answer to this.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:53 am to Al Dante
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Which would you rather live under in this regard if there were no other options, Palestinian rule or Israeli rule? Not a rhetorical question I really want to know your answer to this.
With with regards to marriage, I would want to live in the place that was the most permissive and tolerant, and the Palestinian Authority doesn't ban interfaith marriage. From wikipedia:
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In 2007, the United States Department of State released a study of the state of religious freedom in the Palestinian territories as part of its annual international study. According to the report, Christians and Muslims enjoyed good relations although tensions existed. Existing tensions between Jews and non-Jews remained high during the reporting period, and continuing violence heightened those tensions. The report concluded that the PA government policy contributed to the generally free practice of religion, although problems persisted related to interfaith-conflicts, including discriminatory and preferential treatment.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:59 am to trackfan
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the reason given by the folks on Capitol Hill for our unquestioned support for Israel is that Israelis share our values. It may be true that they share our pre-civil rights values, but certainly not our modern-day values.
Perhaps it's relative. Israel certainly shares more of our values than its neighbors. And we should be transparent in saying that the relationship between Israelis and Palestinians is not really analagous to that between blacks and whites under Jim Crow. The context, for one, is entirely different.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:19 am to trackfan
quote:Since they are common, please tell me about a recent marriage between a Jewish male and Muslim female in Palestinian territories.
FYI, interfaith marriage in the Palestinian territories is common.
quote:Was a Christian being the operative term. Suha Tawil converted to Islam before marrying Yasser Arafat. So your example is not evidence of interfaith marriages at all.
As a matter of faith, Arafats wife was a Chrisitian.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:26 am to Navytiger74
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Perhaps it's relative. Israel certainly shares more of our values than its neighbors
Actually, Turkey is more like is than other countries in the region. In some ways, they're even more secular they we are. All the other countries, ichluding Israel, are either official theocracies or de facto theocracies. And remember that Israel has no constitution, and it has over 30 laws on its books that preferences Jews over Gentiles.
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And we should be transparent in saying that the relationship between Israelis and Palestinians is not really analagous to that between blacks and whites under Jim Crow. The context, for one, is entirely different.
Of course there are differences but there also similarities. Aparthied South Africa, with the bantustans, the restriction of movement and the identity cards is a better analogy, but there are no perfect analogies.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 12:03 pm to trackfan
quote:I think by sharing our values, I believe that means those in Israel and those in the U.S. agree that Arabs should bath more than one a month.
: Besides, this is 2014, not 1914, and the reason given by the folks on Capitol Hill for our unquestioned support for Israel is that Israelis share our values. It may be true that they share our pre-civil rights values, but certainly not our modern-day values.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 12:19 pm to trackfan
So a Jew and a Gentile walk in to a bar...
Posted on 8/19/14 at 12:22 pm to trackfan
Dumb azz post.
Israel has muslim trying to destroy their country and a lot of muslim countries whose charter calls for the destruction of Israel. This woman is getting married to a muslim and you have a few people protesting.
Now I am going to destroy your analogy.
What would happen in a muslim country where a muslim woman married a Jew or a christian? We know the Sudan woman was placed in jail while pregnant and sentenced to death that only a worldwide shame campaign was able to overcome.
Christians are murdered for being christians all over the middle east.
Now your analogy looks stupid because you don't think shyt through.
Israel has muslim trying to destroy their country and a lot of muslim countries whose charter calls for the destruction of Israel. This woman is getting married to a muslim and you have a few people protesting.
Now I am going to destroy your analogy.
What would happen in a muslim country where a muslim woman married a Jew or a christian? We know the Sudan woman was placed in jail while pregnant and sentenced to death that only a worldwide shame campaign was able to overcome.
Christians are murdered for being christians all over the middle east.
Now your analogy looks stupid because you don't think shyt through.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 8/19/14 at 12:22 pm to trackfan
quote:They have gentle joo babies?
What Happens When A Jew Marries A Gentile In Israel
Posted on 8/19/14 at 12:24 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
quote:Have you ever made a post where you didn't curse or insult someone?
Dumb azz post.
Israel has muslim trying to destroy their country and a lot of muslim countries whose charter calla for the destruction of Israel. This woman is getting married to a muslim and you have a few people protesting.
Now I am going to destroy your analogy.
What would happen in a muslim country where a muslim woman married a Jew or a christian? We know the Sudan woman was placed in jail while pregnant and sentenced to death that only a worldwide shame campaign was able to overcome.
Christians are murdered for being christians all over the middle east.
Now you analogy looks stupid because you don't think shyt through.
Also, we've had the blood moons. When does the world end? Do I at least get to see who wins Big Brother?
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