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Firing people: High stress project, you gotta go

Posted on 8/17/14 at 12:23 am
Posted by Bushmaster
19th Hole
Member since Oct 2008
39637 posts
Posted on 8/17/14 at 12:23 am
I have to tell 4 senior engineers they are no longer needed on our project and at the same time I had to hire people to replace their positions.

I have nothing personal against these people but they are not cutting it.

Some of these folks have been with our company for 20 years and will have to either choose to go to Australia or on another project or not.

Any way to sugarcoat this?


This post was edited on 8/17/14 at 12:26 am
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
83953 posts
Posted on 8/17/14 at 12:24 am to
I'd go to Australia, but I'm not an engineer. :/
Posted by wallowinit
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2006
14986 posts
Posted on 8/17/14 at 12:25 am to
In what ways are they not performing?
Posted by stout
Smoking Crack with Hunter Biden
Member since Sep 2006
167506 posts
Posted on 8/17/14 at 12:25 am to
Pay me a nice salary and I will fire all the people you need me to.

I used to hate firing people but now days it doesn't phase me much. If someone is costing me money or not cutting it I send them packing.
Posted by thermal9221
Youngsville
Member since Feb 2005
13298 posts
Posted on 8/17/14 at 12:27 am to
Stick to facts
Posted by AU4real35
Member since Jan 2014
16065 posts
Posted on 8/17/14 at 12:30 am to
So you're giving them these options...
1) relocate to Australia
2) work on another project
3) find another job
Posted by puse01
Member since Sep 2011
3742 posts
Posted on 8/17/14 at 12:35 am to
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This post was edited on 11/17/21 at 9:09 am
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92877 posts
Posted on 8/17/14 at 12:36 am to
quote:

Any way to sugarcoat this?



Yup! Let them know that its obvious to you that they are not happy with their jobs, or else they would be cutting it, and a new challenge is exactly what they need and it will make them happier. Let them know it might be tough at first but within a couple of months they will be much happier and their family will thank them for it. I would try to get them to quit first by saying that and if they don't you have to let them go.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
One State Solution
Member since May 2012
55846 posts
Posted on 8/17/14 at 1:17 am to
White people problems
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98335 posts
Posted on 8/17/14 at 1:33 am to
This used to be my uncle's job. He would go around to different worksites firing people so the managers wouldn't have to. He's kind of an a-hole.
Posted by skinny domino
sebr
Member since Feb 2007
14350 posts
Posted on 8/17/14 at 1:44 am to
quote:

Some of these folks have been with our company for 20 years and will have to either choose to go to Australia or on another project or not. Any way to sugarcoat this?
20 years and these folks are not up to speed? Sounds like you or your company has fell down on evaluations. If it took 20 years for someone to see these 4 engineers are screw ups - ball dropped by someone.
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
34063 posts
Posted on 8/17/14 at 2:54 am to
Just say "your services are no longer needed". End of story. I hardly ever say any more or less.
Posted by Will Cover
St. Louis, MO
Member since Mar 2007
38599 posts
Posted on 8/17/14 at 5:33 am to
It's not the ones that you have to fire in your life that can make it miserable. It's the ones you that you don't.

Let them know you are giving them a new opportunity to find new work.

Hopefully, they all know where they stand (stood), in terms of written documentation prior to being let to and this won't come as a total surprise.
This post was edited on 8/17/14 at 5:37 am
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
136847 posts
Posted on 8/17/14 at 7:43 am to
Respect the employee

Do not sugarcoat

Short and sweet and first thing in morning and first part of week. Dont let them work all day and all week knowing they have to go

Tell them that their services are not longer needed and thank themfor their work.

Only address reasonings if they ask, and then havebullet list ready
This post was edited on 8/17/14 at 7:45 am
Posted by mytigger
Member since Jan 2008
14851 posts
Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:43 am to
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Posted by mytigger
Member since Jan 2008
14851 posts
Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:44 am to
If the engineers are making significant mistakes costing the company big money why are you offering them another job opportunity instead of releasing them altogether?
Posted by Pavoloco83
Acworth Ga. too many damn dawgs
Member since Nov 2013
15347 posts
Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:46 am to
I've had to do that. I've also been on the recieving end of it once in a RIF about 12 years ago.

Best thing to do is be honest, respectful and as professional as you can be. Empathetic, but the business realities drive the decision.

If your company provides some form of outlet like other projects etc, then certainly offer that.

Having had to terminate folks for similar reasons, it sucks for the boss too, because typically these are good people, just not the best fit for the team now.

Posted by partsman103
Member since Sep 2008
8112 posts
Posted on 8/17/14 at 9:47 am to
quote:

I have to tell 4 senior engineers they are no longer needed on our project and at the same time I had to hire people to replace their positions. 

I have nothing personal against these people but they are not cutting it. 

Some of these folks have been with our company for 20 years and will have to either choose to go to Australia or on another project or not. 

Any way to sugarcoat this? 


So you're in a management position and you run here to seek advice? Really?
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
33266 posts
Posted on 8/17/14 at 9:50 am to
15 years experience:

Stick to the facts
Keep it short
Give them options, if any, and short deadline for decision
Stand up to shake their hand when you've said all you have to say. Don't let it drag out.
Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
17757 posts
Posted on 8/17/14 at 9:52 am to
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