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re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Speculation Thread (Possible Spoilers)
Posted on 8/6/14 at 2:34 pm to BlacknGold
Posted on 8/6/14 at 2:34 pm to BlacknGold
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the discussion was about having a tv show (set in the past) and a movie, sharing the same main characters and having confusion by the public. how does that have anything to do with the quality of the movie.
That's not the only situation within which multiple characters can occur, what about the Flash?
See here:
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There are many different flashes they could use. They could use Wally and be just as good. I dont think they put flash in the movies anytime soon though. no need for this concern right now.
There's a problem with this in two ways. One, can there be a real JL movie without the Flash? (Of course there can technically but do you want it that way? Flash is great so personally, again, this is where my problem lies.)
And even if you did, and if the Flash TV show is as good as advertised, would there be more confusion with 2 Flashes than with 2 Bruces? That isn't a legitimate concern either way?
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Posted on 8/6/14 at 2:37 pm to Freauxzen
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what about the Flash?
what about him? hes not in the movies.
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would there be more confusion with 2 Flashes than with 2 Bruces?
i doubt they use the flash in the movies. and if they do, as i mentioned already, there are many characters that go by "flash." Wally carried the franchise for decades.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 2:38 pm to theunknownknight
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This really doesn't make sense.
In this universe of Snyder's Superman is the first super being introduced. He will still be learning the ropes while a hidden batman has been fighting smaller non-superhuman threats all these years - obviously implied by society's surprise at a being like superman and a large threat like Zod.
In this universe it is apparent Supes was the pioneer on fighting large threat supervillains.
So my question is this: do y'all realize this paints batman in a corner from the get go? He's basically an old washed up "small potatoes" legend who we are supposed to buy can beat superman? His first real challenge?
Please.
If you write the movie that way, then sure.
Traditionally Batman has fought lesser powered villains in Gotham City (for the most part). So if they're going with an urban legend Batman, then it makes sense that he's been off of young Superman's radar. It also makes sense that he's been having to come up with ways to defeat super-villains for years and, after seeing the debut of Superman and Zod, would come up with a plan to defeat this new possible threat.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 2:38 pm to theunknownknight
quote:Who says he can beat Superman? Who says this is his first real challenge? Considering Robin has died, this debunks that. Who says he's "small potatoes"? He's filthy rich and powerful. Where did you get your information?
So my question is this: do y'all realize this paints batman in a corner from the get go? He's basically an old washed up "small potatoes" legend who we are supposed to buy can beat superman? His first real challenge?
Posted on 8/6/14 at 2:40 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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defeat super-villains for years
What supervillains? Snyder portrayed (implicitly) Zod as the first...and that JUST happened in his universe if we are going with the Superman is still young angle.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 2:40 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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Why do you do this? Someone makes a valid point and you try to start an argument.
That's not even close to true. But thanks for trying. It came out wrong, but it's an honest comment. quote:
It doesn't matter if you liked or disliked Smallville or Superman Returns. The point is that people didn't confuse the two properties. If people hated Returns then they hated it on its own merit, not because Ma Kent wasn't Annette O'Toole.
And how do you know people didn't? Superman Returns wasn't successful for a lot of reasons and you can't really exclude Smallville with just a comment. (You can't prove it either, but you can't say "Everyone knew they were different people.")
What you can say is that Smallville was in the middle of its run and Superman Returns came out and did not succeed.
So Smallville had absolutely nothing to do with that? Again, that's almost impossible to prove and can be a likely cause of failure.
(Granted Smallville's audience is probably different, but there are cross-sectors.)
That was 10 years ago too, before Twitter and knowing everything about a film before it was released was normal.
This post was edited on 8/6/14 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 8/6/14 at 2:41 pm to theunknownknight
quote:So because he hasn't fought a "supervillain" he's "small potatoes"?
What supervillains? Snyder portrayed (implicitly) Zod as the first...and that JUST happened in his universe if we are going with the Superman is still young angle
ETA: What's your definition of a "supervillain"?
This post was edited on 8/6/14 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 8/6/14 at 2:43 pm to Freauxzen
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Freauxzen
are you even being serious anymore? i feel like you are honestly just trolling now.
there was confusion with smallville because we didnt have twitter? i mean, seriously? cause the internet, facebook, and a million websites didnt exist either?
you even made comments proving why your argument made no sense. yet you come in here and wonder why heated arguments get started.
you are 100% correct. there will be confusion with Gotham and this film because now twitter exists.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 2:45 pm to abellsujr
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Who says he can beat Superman? Who says this is his first real challenge? Considering Robin has died, this debunks that. Who says he's "small potatoes"? He's filthy rich and powerful. Where did you get your information?
Y'all can't see the disconnect? In the comic (this will presumably be based on) earth already had a deep history of superpowered global threat type villains.
Snyder made MoS as an origin story not only of Supes but also of his universe, of Earth learning to deal with superpowered beings. That was one of the major themes of MoS.
Now we are supposed to believe Batman had been fighting these superbeing global threats "in the shadows" for 30 years?
It doesn't work. They're trying to cram years of superhero mythos into a brand new universe to rush the justice league and the story will suffer.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 2:46 pm to abellsujr
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ETA: What's your definition of a "supervillain"?
Someone who is threat to the whole earth, a threat to superheroes like Superman
Posted on 8/6/14 at 2:46 pm to theunknownknight
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Snyder portrayed (implicitly) Zod as the first...and
If you mean as a real, immediate, global extinction threat, then I agree with this.
However, there's is nothing that says that the shite that happened in TDK and TDKR did not could not have happened prior to the events of MOS. I know the Nolanverse is completely separate here, but BOTH of those movies were attacks on a single city, not the planet.
NOW...being able to defeat such threats form the shadows in a much tougher sell and makes no sense.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 2:47 pm to Freauxzen
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That was 10 years ago too, before Twitter and knowing everything about a film before it was released was normal.
You are completely full of shite. And, as usual, warping reality to suit your argument.
The internet was in full gear ten years ago. Just because you hadn't discovered pre-Twitter social media doesn't mean that the rest of the world hadn't.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 2:47 pm to theunknownknight
quote:Nobody said he fought "superbeing global threats". You don't even know what they are doing. Most of Batman's villains are human.
Now we are supposed to believe Batman had been fighting these superbeing global threats "in the shadows" for 30 years?
Posted on 8/6/14 at 2:49 pm to theunknownknight
quote:Zod and Superman were the first to be public with their superpowers in Snyder's world. Nobody said Batman has fought anyone with superpowers.
Someone who is threat to the whole earth, a threat to superheroes like Superman
Posted on 8/6/14 at 2:50 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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That was 10 years ago too, before Twitter and knowing everything about a film before it was released was normal.
You are completely full of shite. And, as usual, warping reality to suit your argument.
Seriously, there is this little site called Ain't It Cool that has been reporting news about movies before they came out since the 90s.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 2:55 pm to Fewer Kilometers
completely normal and rational discussion with elprez.
discussion gets completely derailed by irrational claims and made up connections. yeah, i have no clue how these threads always turn into shite.
discussion gets completely derailed by irrational claims and made up connections. yeah, i have no clue how these threads always turn into shite.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 2:56 pm to BlacknGold
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BlacknGold
Look I had a bigger response typed out, but it's unnecessary, because it isn't really fair to be corralled this way for bringing up valid points.
Or to be completely misunderstood seeing as...
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there was confusion with smallville because we didnt have twitter?
Did I ever say that? Once?
No.
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you are 100% correct. there will be confusion with Gotham and this film because now twitter exists.
I'm not the one saying I'm correct. That's what you don't get. You are saying that no one got Superman Returns and Smallville mixed up. How do you know that?
What we do know is that:
Smallville was in the middle of a successful run.
Superman Returns is released and bombs, fails as a new franchise
Smallville continues
And these two things are not connected at all? 100% definitively? No one got these two things confused.
All I'm saying is you can't say that. Doubly so when one property fails. If Superman Returns was a success, and spawned a franchise and Smallville continued, you'd have an argument, and probably be right, yes. In this case, it's unresolved, at best. But I'm wrong. I know. I just hate hate hate.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 2:59 pm to Freauxzen
i would love to see articles pointing to smallvilee for the reason or at least MINOR reason for Superman returns failure. I dont remember any outlet pointing to that. so yeah, that is evidence.
you know you stir the pot on purpose. you saw the civil discussion we were having with elprez. you really cant help yourself from saying ignorant statements to rile us up so you can point the finger that we attack statements that go against DC.
you are very intelligent. you know what you are trying to do and it's pretty shitty.
you know you stir the pot on purpose. you saw the civil discussion we were having with elprez. you really cant help yourself from saying ignorant statements to rile us up so you can point the finger that we attack statements that go against DC.
you are very intelligent. you know what you are trying to do and it's pretty shitty.
This post was edited on 8/6/14 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 8/6/14 at 3:01 pm to Fewer Kilometers
quote:You were right.
Fewer Kilometers
New threads just start new arguments. I should have just bumped your thread.Posted on 8/6/14 at 3:01 pm to Josh Fenderman
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Seriously, there is this little site called Ain't It Cool that has been reporting news about movies before they came out since the 90s.
Exactly, plus Smallville was the WB's most popular series and Routh being cast as Superman was the top entertainment news story on Yahoo News and every other infotainment news site.
Latino-Review.com made their bones when they were the first to break the news of the Routh casting (and they're still a top venue for breaking casting news).
We're not talking about ARPANET, this is the mid 2000's.
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