re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Speculation Thread (Possible Spoilers)

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My sources indicate that when [Batman V Superman] opens Batman has existed for close to thirty years, which would place Wayne in his 50s (which is why I expected more grey in Affleck’s hair).

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Geeze...I really hope this is not true. While I think the idea of either having a trilogy with an older Batman, or allowing Batman to age within the universe is fine, to START what is essentially the beginning of The Justice League with a 50+ year old Batman is, well...shite...I don't even know.

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the Batcave includes a memorial centered around a tattered Robin costume.

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Good, I've never enjoyed the Robin character

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How is the casual fan going to be able to keep all that shite straight?

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What else are they suppose to do? Not make a JL movie? And the casual fan probably has no clue about the TV series.

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I don't know. I just feel like Marvel, either by design all along or one hell of a good amount of foresight, has really gone to insane lengths to keep continuity in their universe, despite not having two pretty large pieces of it. (XMen and Spidey)

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Marvel has done better, no question, but there's nothing they can do about past things. They chose not to give Batman another movie this soon, and I think that was a good choice.

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DC has just as good of characters that are interesting, if not even more popular all time than Marvel. I can't believe they can't make more characters work than Batman and Superman.

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Batman and Superman are much more popular than any Marvel character, which is part of the problem. Everyone has their own interpretation of what they SHOULD be. You can't please everyone.

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Good, I've never enjoyed the Robin character

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Except the Robin character gave us DC's most complex and interesting character. And the only character that's been allowed to evolve, and never revert in fear of distancing fans.

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Then, DC says the TV universe will be completely separate from the Movie universe.
How is the casual fan going to be able to keep all that shite straight?

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theyve said time and time again that Gotham is in the past. It's separate in that regard. Until we see a bleed through of villain usage or other characters, it still could be the movie Batman's past. its just speculation, but after watching the SDCC panels on their tv shows, it seems that, yes they are separate, but may not be 100% (in regards to Gotham).

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And imagine if DC does decide to bring Flash into the Movies. "Well, we were watching the tv show last night, and why is Barry Allen not doing (fill in blank) in the movie?"

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There are many different flashes they could use. They could use Wally and be just as good. I dont think they put flash in the movies anytime soon though. no need for this concern right now.

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I just feel like Marvel, either by design all along or one hell of a good amount of foresight, has really gone to insane lengths to keep continuity in their universe

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Marvel has incredible foresight and planning. they do retreats every year for their writers and creators. they do an extremely good job of incorporating everyone onto the same page. however, before their movies they havent had a tv presence since the 70s. there was nothing to juggle around. Believe me, when Smallville aired and had success, Marvel wanted in on that action but didnt have a network yet.

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And just the concept of the TV shows being in a different universe than the movies, when surely you'll have Flash make a big screen appearance, and DC is going to promote the shite out of it.

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again, i think you are probably incorrect here. CW has to check with DC on every single character they want to use for tv. They wanted blue bettle but got denied and were granted the atom instead. DC cleared flash for tv. i doubt they plan on using him on the big screen any time soon. and if so, it wont be barry allen

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But there will be plenty of people that are going to have a hard time differentiating between Nolans movies and this universe, being as they were so recent.

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That is a possibility, which is why it's good to have a different actor play Batman. There is no way around it, though. Maybe that's why they set the movie out so far.

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How is the casual fan going to be able to keep all that shite straight?

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It's been a successful business model going back to when Superman moved from the comics to the newspapers and radio. It's why we were able to have the Batman: The Animated Series on TV while we had Batman movies in the theater. And why we could have Smallville as a series while we had a Superman movie going.

It's the same as Marvel having an Ultimate line of comics while they had their basic universe still in print.

And Marvel had the exact same policy until they decided that everything outside of comics, including their cartoons, would have to toe the line and match what they were doing in their movies.

What Marvel is doing is new. What DC is doing is the standard practice. It allows creativity and allows us to have multiple TV series going on multiple networks, while Marvel has one series on one network.

If DC was following the Marvel lead then we would have no Arrow, no Flash, no Constantine, and definitely no Gotham on television this Fall. We might have one Superman or Batman related series that would have minimal ties to an actual Superman or Batman film.

I like that the companies have different plans. It allows for more creativity from the DC artists while continuity fans can follow the Marvel movies.

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this is a great, recent example. no one was really confused about the difference between smallville and superman returns.

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That's because Superman Returns was a gigantic failure, regardless of its actual quality.

Anyone else remember the Superman Returns - Transformers thread? Good times.

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and this is when shite breaks out. what does that have to do with my point?

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Why does shite have to break out if you agree that it stunk? And I never said it stunk, either.

It was a failure because as a Superman film, it was supposed to establish a franchise. Did they intend that movie as a one and done?

The reason no one cared about Clark in Smallville and Clark in Superman Returns, is because no one cared about Superman Returns. Is that a wrong assessment?

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The reason no one cared about Clark in Smallville and Clark in Superman Returns, is because no one cared about Superman Returns. Is that a wrong assessment?

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Why do you do this? Someone makes a valid point and you try to start an argument.

It doesn't matter if you liked or disliked Smallville or Superman Returns. The point is that people didn't confuse the two properties. If people hated Returns then they hated it on its own merit, not because Ma Kent wasn't Annette O'Toole.