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re: If Archie ever had an offensive line to speak of,
Posted on 8/6/14 at 9:14 pm to Fearthehat0307
Posted on 8/6/14 at 9:14 pm to Fearthehat0307
I really never met one of those.
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Posted on 8/6/14 at 9:16 pm to goatmilker
quote:jesus you must not live in Louisiana. the nostalgia crowd here talk like if he had any talent on the team he would've won every SB from rookie season til retirement
I really never met one of those.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 9:21 pm to Fearthehat0307
Yup. P'cola.
To me he stands out during those years and after because a diamond in a pile of shite just...stands out. Nostalgia sure. Legends or hero's just grow with time. You will see it in many ways after Brees's time. His stories and "nostalgia" will most certainly grow far beyond the realities of his time. It just happens that way.
To me he stands out during those years and after because a diamond in a pile of shite just...stands out. Nostalgia sure. Legends or hero's just grow with time. You will see it in many ways after Brees's time. His stories and "nostalgia" will most certainly grow far beyond the realities of his time. It just happens that way.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 9:22 pm to Ponchy Tiger
quote:
lot of NFL veterans and legends praise Archie and basically say his was a lost career because he never had any support.
It doesn't matter what they say, Fox is the authority on 70's QB's silly
Posted on 8/6/14 at 9:55 pm to BGSB
quote:
It doesn't matter what they say,
It really doesn't matter what they say. They were being deferential and cordial. I watched Archie play and he was mediocre save for a couple of seasons.
Those were sad times for Saints fans and many were eager to latch on to any crumb of pride that they could. Archie was that crumb.
Posted on 8/6/14 at 10:02 pm to Fearthehat0307
quote:
the nostalgia crowd here talk like if he had any talent on the team he would've won every SB from rookie season til retirement
You be exaggerating.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 9:03 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
People are WAY too emotional about this issue.
Archie Manning was an excellent NFL QB. He would have been successful on any and all NFL teams.
Arguments that he was less than excellent have some basis in fact, but, are probably outweighed by contrary evidence.
Arguments that he could have been as great as any other QB from his era is speculation, which means, perhaps it is so.
Archie Manning was an excellent NFL QB. He would have been successful on any and all NFL teams.
Arguments that he was less than excellent have some basis in fact, but, are probably outweighed by contrary evidence.
Arguments that he could have been as great as any other QB from his era is speculation, which means, perhaps it is so.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 9:10 am to Champagne
Careful, such pragmatic views are not acceptable on ST.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 9:14 am to Champagne
I don't know that it's possible to achieve "greatness" at the QB position so I would not call him a great NFL QB, but he came as close to doing so as one could do. Opinions may vary but the honors he won in 78 and 79 are facts and they strongly support the view that he was a well above average NFL QB. Admittedly, you get into "eyeball tests" once you can past that sort of evidence, but here is something to consider: Manning was a starting QB in the NFL for well over a decade without winning, including with the Vikes at the end. This didn't happen with Steve Spurrier, Terry Hanratty, or some other college greats who struggled at the NFL level in the same era.
Numerous players and coaches in Manning's era considered him an upper echelon QB. I can see where folks such as Fox are coming from (primarily stats), but I will go with what I and Manning's NFL contemporaries saw.
A little off topic: how much fun would Manning have had with some of these modern offenses? His arm and athleticism would have served him so well.
Numerous players and coaches in Manning's era considered him an upper echelon QB. I can see where folks such as Fox are coming from (primarily stats), but I will go with what I and Manning's NFL contemporaries saw.
A little off topic: how much fun would Manning have had with some of these modern offenses? His arm and athleticism would have served him so well.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 9:26 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
No
The Saints were decent in 78 and 79 and he still had more ints than TDs in those years.
BTW, Saints should not have fired Hank Stram.
The Saints were decent in 78 and 79 and he still had more ints than TDs in those years.
BTW, Saints should not have fired Hank Stram.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 10:57 am to Overbrook
quote:
No
The Saints were decent in 78 and 79 and he still had more ints than TDs in those years.
No.
In 1978, he had more TD's than INT's.
And was the NFC MVP and a Pro-Bowler.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 11:44 am to SportsGuyNOLA
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In 1978, he had more TD's than INT's.
Correct. He had 17 touchdowns to 16 interceptions. One of his 2 seasons with more touchdowns than interceptions.
quote:
And was the NFC MVP and a Pro-Bowler.
And he was also a pro bowler in 1979 with 15 Touchdowns and 20 interceptions.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 11:57 am to Champagne
quote:quote:
Arguments that he was less than excellent have some basis in fact, but, are probably outweighed by contrary evidence.quote:
Arguments that he could have been as great as any other QB from his era is speculation, which means, perhaps it is so.
speaking of contradictory...
the only people emotional about this are people who think he was some kind of special talent. Some basis in fact? More like entirely based in fact. If we stick by facts alone, then this is a slam dunk. You don't go from great/special/HOFer (whatever you want to call it) to mediocre NFL career because you played on a bad team...especially when your position is the most important one on the team (admittedly to a lesser extent in the 70s)
If Archie hadn't blown a special wad of spunk, then he would only be remembered by saints fans, and LSU/Ole Miss/MS State fans. Only did this distorted version of his career start being promulgated when his son was lighting up the league. I would specifically reference a pre game (maybe halftime) piece that Sunday/Monday (?) night football aired during a 2002 game between the saints and rams.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:04 pm to DelU249
Fox you are obviously a great talent evaluator. Do me a favor evaluate the talent of this anonymous pro QB by his career stats.
TD-220
INT-212
yds-27,989
RTG- 70.9
TD-220
INT-212
yds-27,989
RTG- 70.9
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:09 pm to TigerFanNKaty
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:11 pm to TigerFanNKaty
quote:
Fox you are obviously a great talent evaluator. Do me a favor evaluate the talent of this anonymous pro QB by his career stats.
TD-220
INT-212
yds-27,989
RTG- 70.9
first, why don't you post Terry Bradshaw's correct career statistics
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:11 pm to TigerFanNKaty
quote:
Fox you are obviously a great talent evaluator. Do me a favor evaluate the talent of this anonymous pro QB by his career stats.
TD-220
INT-212
yds-27,989
RTG- 70.9
Bradshaw threw more touchdowns than interceptions in his last 9 seasons
This post was edited on 8/7/14 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:16 pm to DelU249
Copy paste error there buddy. So your answer please. Based only on his statistics how would you rate him?
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:16 pm to TigerBait1127
no one is even saying archie sucked. He just wasn't extraordinary. His BEST year, the one everyone loves so much, he was a top 6,7 quarterback for sure...and that was the defensive era...3 seasons was it?
aaron brooks had a year where he was a top 5 quarterback, he isn't going to the hall of fame.
This post was edited on 8/7/14 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:23 pm to TigerFanNKaty
if I'm looking purely at the numbers and I didn't know it was bradshaw, I would say it is impressive given the era. Then I would want to see individual seasons and a complete listing of the other passing offenses that year. Comp data so to speak. And I'd want to see completion percentage and YPA
Then I would remind you that I'm not judging archie purely on stats (which if I did would crush your silly notion that he was a HOF caliber QB)
I'm arguing that if he was a GREAT qb, he would have performed like a GREAT qb...as all GREAT qbs do.
Tom Brady took over a 5-11 pats team that started 1-2? 1-3? and took them to the super bowl. He did so with troy brown and david patten (both under 6 ft I believe) as his top wideouts...his greatness didn't care who was on his team.
and that was only his first year starting
Then I would remind you that I'm not judging archie purely on stats (which if I did would crush your silly notion that he was a HOF caliber QB)
I'm arguing that if he was a GREAT qb, he would have performed like a GREAT qb...as all GREAT qbs do.
Tom Brady took over a 5-11 pats team that started 1-2? 1-3? and took them to the super bowl. He did so with troy brown and david patten (both under 6 ft I believe) as his top wideouts...his greatness didn't care who was on his team.
and that was only his first year starting
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