re: If Archie ever had an offensive line to speak of,

You can believe what you want but a lot of NFL veterans and legends praise Archie and basically say his was a lost career because he never had any support.

"however, there should be SOMETHING there when you compare him with his colleagues at the position that would indicate greatness...but there isn't because he wasn't."

Well, he was named the NFC Player of the Year in 1978 even though the team only went 7–9, and was named all NFC that year, too, and he played in a couple of Pro Bowls. At least in those years, he was considered to be pretty darn good.

I personally think Archie was a wonderful, first rate talent and uncommonly athletic for a QB. You can't make a case for him being a HOF'er. these are my opinions. But he was definitely not a mediocre player, either, as for at least a couple of years, he was viewed at th e to be a top 5 or 6 QB in the league (see NFC POY and Pro Bowls). That qualifies as some evidence of greatness, at least for a time.

What some may not fully appreciate is just how much easier it was to stay good or stay bad before free agency. Archie was on a dreadful team for almost his entire career and there wasn't anything he could do about it.

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Imagine if he was on the Steelers or the Cowboys in the 1970's. They might have won even more Super Bowl trophies.

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Bradshaw said that right after he retired.

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Well, he was named the NFC Player of the Year in 1978 even though the team only went 7–9, and was named all NFC that year, too, and he played in a couple of Pro Bowls. At least in those years, he was considered to be pretty darn good.

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1978:

17 TDs, 16 Ints. He had the 5th highest passer rating that year.

1979:
10 TDs, 15 Ints

We protected him very well. He finished 26th in sacks. He had the 10th best Passer Rating.

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You are an idiot sir.

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well that solves that...archie to the hall y'all

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He had two good offensive lines is whole career

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and? would peyton manning suck balls or become mediocre with a bad line...no. Again, you're not providing anything that supports how awesome archie was...you're making excuses for why he was not...which is to admit that he was not awesome

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to go with good skill position players.

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again

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He made the Pro Bowl.

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stop the press

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You are either to young to know this

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are we going to get to the part where you dispel the notion that archie was just an average joe?

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, are just plain devoid of football knowledge.

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knowledge is an interesting choice of words. I'm looking to see where you provided any...nope, don't see it

The OP moron asked if he had through out his career a team worth a shite would he have had a better career. That answer is yes. He was an exceptional talent. Are you dumb enough to keep on thinking that you can take any QB and put them on any team and they will excel. Peyton had exceptional receivers and some decent defenses with Freeney there. Brady has always had a good supporting cast and a great coach. The saints at that time were awful. I don't need to try to convince you I watched the F-ing games. He never had time to throw or go through any kind of progression what so ever. For you to call him a average joe shows you don't know damn thing about him and have never really watched him play. You are probably a fantasy junkie who only looks at stats to evaluate a players talent. Football is a team sport. The best the Saints did in that era were go 8-8 and 7-9, without Archie I promise you they win 2 or 3 games at most.

you sound like a lunatic...Archie's greatest contribution to the NFL is his spunk and that's a fact.