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re: (update pg 3)When an potential employer ask you how much you want
Posted on 8/6/14 at 7:44 am to lsu13lsu
Posted on 8/6/14 at 7:44 am to lsu13lsu
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I have been on the hiring end of this situation a few times. It never works out in the end when it is nickle and diming and negotiating. My best employees wanted to be here no questions asked and love it. Every single time I have had to negotiate they didn't last long before they were headed to another gig for a little more pay. People either want to be there or they don't. A few dollars one way or the other doesn't matter. Plus, it is far more about salary. There are tons of other variables many miss on. Who you are working for and with, 401k match, vacation, industry, etc...
I'm that $$$ guy, if I take a first offer I feel like I've lost
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Posted on 8/6/14 at 7:44 am to Epic Cajun
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I would think the "promotions" part would be covered by looking at a resume though, right? Doesn't seem like something that would be hidden by the employee (if they have risen aggressively within the company).
A big change in salary would help validate the resume
Posted on 8/6/14 at 9:17 am to Mr.Perfect
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Yup... especially since they came to you. Im sure you will. But when you decline remind him how this conversation started and thank him for following up and trying to make it work. And let him know that you are always available for a discussion on moving back. He knows your number. He might come knock again. Especially after they pay the headhunters for a while
I agree with you 100% He knows my work ethic and capabilities. I'll let him run a few employment ads and possibility a head hunter then hopefully he remembers he can sign me on for free, but just a little more per week. I'm sending him the decline letter tonight.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 3:27 pm to lsu13lsu
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I have been on the hiring end of this situation a few times. It never works out in the end when it is nickle and diming and negotiating. My best employees wanted to be here no questions asked and love it. Every single time I have had to negotiate they didn't last long before they were headed to another gig for a little more pay. People either want to be there or they don't. A few dollars one way or the other doesn't matter. Plus, it is far more about salary. There are tons of other variables many miss on. Who you are working for and with, 401k match, vacation, industry, etc...
I am not knocking anyone. Everyone has to do what is best for them financially. I just find people who come on board without a big negotiation ordeal have made better employees for me and they end up making a great money long-term.
Sweet speech but the difference here is they are after him. He did not approach them. Then THEY tell him they give him $50 a week over his current and expect him to move? There is no negotiation here on the part of the OP...they asked, he gave a price, and THEY are trying to negotiate it down.
So in sticking with you theory, he shouldn't even consider going to an employer who wants to negotiate over a few $$.
They are missing out on a solid employee that started there and wants to move back there. They even talk of him becoming upper management, yet they let him walk out for maybe an xtra $100/wk?
If you were to let someone walk because YOU were the one doing petty negotiating, what should your boss do with you?
Now they have to go out and spend many thousands on finding a guy, spend even more one training him, and possibly not be happy with his work ethic down the road and do it all over again. They know what they get with the OP who THEY approached.
Dumb management OP, be happy you aren't going
Posted on 8/7/14 at 3:32 pm to GeeOH
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Sweet speech but the difference here is they are after him. He did not approach them. Then THEY tell him they give him $50 a week over his current and expect him to move? There is no negotiation here on the part of the OP...they asked, he gave a price, and THEY are trying to negotiate it down.
So in sticking with you theory, he shouldn't even consider going to an employer who wants to negotiate over a few $$.
They are missing out on a solid employee that started there and wants to move back there. They even talk of him becoming upper management, yet they let him walk out for maybe an xtra $100/wk?
If you were to let someone walk because YOU were the one doing petty negotiating, what should your boss do with you?
Now they have to go out and spend many thousands on finding a guy, spend even more one training him, and possibly not be happy with his work ethic down the road and do it all over again. They know what they get with the OP who THEY approached.
Dumb management OP, be happy you aren't going
Perfect
Posted on 8/8/14 at 9:16 am to LSUtoOmaha
I sent the follow decline email yesterday; Due to the fact that the offer is non-negotiable I will have to decline at this time. I appreciate your consideration and let me know if something can be worked out.
his response 1 hour later; If I can get $ XXXX per week, would it make a difference. I discussed with boss and he wants me to make it happen.
I think I played it just right. now to see what else I can get out of him.
The offer was my first shot. It wasn't non negotiable. Just fit my salary structure requirements. I'm out of town and will put this in writing on Monday. If this does not meet your needs, then we cannot find common ground. Does affect my opinion of you. Just some corporate stuff.
his response 1 hour later; If I can get $ XXXX per week, would it make a difference. I discussed with boss and he wants me to make it happen.
I think I played it just right. now to see what else I can get out of him.
The offer was my first shot. It wasn't non negotiable. Just fit my salary structure requirements. I'm out of town and will put this in writing on Monday. If this does not meet your needs, then we cannot find common ground. Does affect my opinion of you. Just some corporate stuff.
This post was edited on 8/8/14 at 9:18 am
Posted on 8/8/14 at 9:41 am to lsuCJ5
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The offer was my first shot. It wasn't non negotiable. Just fit my salary structure requirements. I'm out of town and will put this in writing on Monday. If this does not meet your needs, then we cannot find common ground. Does affect my opinion of you. Just some corporate stuff.
This is what he said? Talk about an unprofessional way of doing business.
Posted on 8/8/14 at 9:44 am to lsuCJ5
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He just emailed me back and said he cannot offer me more that the initial offer. He said he supposedly checked with HR and a head hunter, and that is the best they can do.I agree with what you have to say above, the benefits are slightly better and the pay is better ($50 more per week), but it is worth a move for this? I know how the old company operates, it is not like I would be going to start fresh somewhere new.
The checked with HR bluff is the go to for managers who don't want to go to bat for more money. I'm not exaggerating when I say I've heard that from every manager I've ever negotiated with pre-employment or when asking for a raise. "Oh HR only allows up to x% increase per year" or "I'm not sure HR will approve that".
HR is a faceless boogeyman that's easy to blame. If they mention HR it means they haven't tried yet. IMHO that means you should call the bluff.(which you did and further in the negotiations so congrats)
This post was edited on 8/8/14 at 9:46 am
Posted on 8/8/14 at 9:44 am to lsu13lsu
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Every single time I have had to negotiate they didn't last long before they were headed to another gig for a little more pay
Honestly, if I took a job where I felt low-balled, I'd be more inclined to leave in a few years. If the starting pay is not what I expected, I'm going to tell them where they fell short.
This post was edited on 8/8/14 at 9:46 am
Posted on 8/8/14 at 10:09 am to LSUtoOmaha
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This is what he said? Talk about an unprofessional way of doing business.
copy and paste from his email brah.......
Posted on 8/8/14 at 10:46 am to lsuCJ5
I sent you that in confidence. Not to be posted on an LSU message board. Offer rescinded. Have a nice day.
Posted on 8/8/14 at 11:20 am to lsuCJ5
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I think I played it just right. now to see what else I can get out of him.
They are playing good cop, bad cop.
Thats cute.
Posted on 8/8/14 at 12:03 pm to barry
I would not work for this company. They sound pretty darn stupid.
Posted on 8/8/14 at 2:26 pm to lnomm34
Either a solid troll or 
Posted on 8/8/14 at 7:50 pm to lsuCJ5
In the end it sounds like your former coworkers who took you to lunch really wanted you back.
Management, not so much.
Reflect and work to get better at what you do.
Management, not so much.
Reflect and work to get better at what you do.
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