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Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:47 pm to sms151t
Michigan
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:52 pm to okietiger
5. LSU Tigers
Draft picks last 25 years: Seven (Josh Booty, Craig Nall, Rohan Davey, Matt Mauck, JaMarcus Russell, Matt Flynn, Zach Mettenberger)
The skinny: The Tigers are no doubt scarred by the fact that Russell is one of the biggest draft busts at the position in recent memory, but don't overlook the fact that the program has done pretty well at the position as far as quantity. With Cam Cameron installing an offense that will look familiar to those who watch more football on Sunday, LSU isn't likely to stop sending quarterbacks to the league anytime soon
4. Stanford Cardinal
Draft picks last 25 years: Five (Steve Stenstrom, Todd Husak, Randy Fasani, Trent Edwards, Andrew Luck)
The skinny: While Stanford hasn't produced the quantity of some of the others on this list, it has been a historically great school when it comes to quarterback quality (John Elway and Jim Plunkett, among others, back in the day). Luck certainly carries the banner for this group, but the Cardinal's offense is nearly indistinguishable from what you'll see on Sundays and they have been as good as anybody at landing talented blue chippers out of high school. Kevin Hogan is already on the radar of NFL scouts and he won't be the last from the Farm to draw their attention.
3. Florida State Seminoles
Draft picks last 25 years: Eight (Peter Tom Willis, Brad Johnson, Casey Weldon, Danny Kanell, Chris Weinke, Adrian McPherson, Christian Ponder, EJ Manuel)
The skinny: When you consider that one Heisman Trophy-winning FSU quarterback didn't get drafted into the NFL but could have played in the league (Charlie Ward), it makes the Seminoles' list even more impressive. They had a few hits and misses over the years, but head coach Jimbo Fisher seems to have turned the program into a must-stop for top talent at every position. Jameis Winston is next in line to go from Noles QB to the pros.
2. Michigan Wolverines
Draft picks last 25 years: Seven (Elvis Grbac, Todd Collins, Brian Griese, Tom Brady, Drew Henson, John Navarre, Chad Henne)
The skinny: Thanks mostly to Brady, the Wolverines might have one of the better hit rates on sending QBs to the NFL in recent years. All seven quarterbacks drafted in the past 25 years started at least one game in the NFL and four of them have thrown for more than 10,000 yards as a pro. While it's unclear if head coach Brady Hoke will keep his job much longer, it's doubtful Michigan moves away from a pro-style offense after the failed Rich Rodriguez experiment. With a big brand name and the ability to get signal-callers from any part of the country, this is one area where Michigan wins a head-to-head with its rival, Ohio State.
1. USC Trojans
Draft picks last 25 years: 11 (Rodney Peete, Pat O'Hara, Todd Marinovich, Rob Johnson, Kyle Wacholtz, Carson Palmer, Matt Cassel, Matt Leinart, John David Booty, Mark Sanchez, Matt Barkley)
The skinny: A lot of NFL-centric viewpoints might question the Trojans' place atop this list given the number of players that failed to live up to the hype in the pros, but it's hard to argue with the numbers and the relative success most of the USC quarterbacks have had in the NFL. All but two multi-game starters for the Trojans in the last 25 years were drafted, so becoming the BMOC at USC is a good indicator that you'll hear your name called during the draft. With a pro-style but up-tempo offense in place under Steve Sarkisian and a five-star quarterback in the 2015 recruiting class, you should continue to see a Trojans quarterback in the draft every few years. The only program that could make a case to be ranked ahead of USC is the one right behind them on this list.
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Draft picks last 25 years: Seven (Josh Booty, Craig Nall, Rohan Davey, Matt Mauck, JaMarcus Russell, Matt Flynn, Zach Mettenberger)
The skinny: The Tigers are no doubt scarred by the fact that Russell is one of the biggest draft busts at the position in recent memory, but don't overlook the fact that the program has done pretty well at the position as far as quantity. With Cam Cameron installing an offense that will look familiar to those who watch more football on Sunday, LSU isn't likely to stop sending quarterbacks to the league anytime soon
4. Stanford Cardinal
Draft picks last 25 years: Five (Steve Stenstrom, Todd Husak, Randy Fasani, Trent Edwards, Andrew Luck)
The skinny: While Stanford hasn't produced the quantity of some of the others on this list, it has been a historically great school when it comes to quarterback quality (John Elway and Jim Plunkett, among others, back in the day). Luck certainly carries the banner for this group, but the Cardinal's offense is nearly indistinguishable from what you'll see on Sundays and they have been as good as anybody at landing talented blue chippers out of high school. Kevin Hogan is already on the radar of NFL scouts and he won't be the last from the Farm to draw their attention.
3. Florida State Seminoles
Draft picks last 25 years: Eight (Peter Tom Willis, Brad Johnson, Casey Weldon, Danny Kanell, Chris Weinke, Adrian McPherson, Christian Ponder, EJ Manuel)
The skinny: When you consider that one Heisman Trophy-winning FSU quarterback didn't get drafted into the NFL but could have played in the league (Charlie Ward), it makes the Seminoles' list even more impressive. They had a few hits and misses over the years, but head coach Jimbo Fisher seems to have turned the program into a must-stop for top talent at every position. Jameis Winston is next in line to go from Noles QB to the pros.
2. Michigan Wolverines
Draft picks last 25 years: Seven (Elvis Grbac, Todd Collins, Brian Griese, Tom Brady, Drew Henson, John Navarre, Chad Henne)
The skinny: Thanks mostly to Brady, the Wolverines might have one of the better hit rates on sending QBs to the NFL in recent years. All seven quarterbacks drafted in the past 25 years started at least one game in the NFL and four of them have thrown for more than 10,000 yards as a pro. While it's unclear if head coach Brady Hoke will keep his job much longer, it's doubtful Michigan moves away from a pro-style offense after the failed Rich Rodriguez experiment. With a big brand name and the ability to get signal-callers from any part of the country, this is one area where Michigan wins a head-to-head with its rival, Ohio State.
1. USC Trojans
Draft picks last 25 years: 11 (Rodney Peete, Pat O'Hara, Todd Marinovich, Rob Johnson, Kyle Wacholtz, Carson Palmer, Matt Cassel, Matt Leinart, John David Booty, Mark Sanchez, Matt Barkley)
The skinny: A lot of NFL-centric viewpoints might question the Trojans' place atop this list given the number of players that failed to live up to the hype in the pros, but it's hard to argue with the numbers and the relative success most of the USC quarterbacks have had in the NFL. All but two multi-game starters for the Trojans in the last 25 years were drafted, so becoming the BMOC at USC is a good indicator that you'll hear your name called during the draft. With a pro-style but up-tempo offense in place under Steve Sarkisian and a five-star quarterback in the 2015 recruiting class, you should continue to see a Trojans quarterback in the draft every few years. The only program that could make a case to be ranked ahead of USC is the one right behind them on this list.
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Posted on 7/29/14 at 11:25 pm to Zamoro10
I feel like the standard is draft picks, not league performance. What you do in the league is not a reflection on your college program. I feel like you can weight it for first through probably about 3rd round picks, and then a flat rate after that.
Compute up the numbers, that's your QBU.
I feel like USCw gets the nod, but I haven't actually done what I suggested. Oh, and also just do it for the last 15 years or so. Ain't nobody cares about some QB from 1996. This is a what have you done for me lately metric.
Compute up the numbers, that's your QBU.
I feel like USCw gets the nod, but I haven't actually done what I suggested. Oh, and also just do it for the last 15 years or so. Ain't nobody cares about some QB from 1996. This is a what have you done for me lately metric.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 11:31 pm to Paul Allen
quote:
Toretta
I don't like Bama but they made him look a bitch in the Sugar Bowl.
course, he didn't do shite in the pros.
at least Testaverde lasted a long time in the NFL.
how can you leave Jim Kelly off?
Posted on 7/29/14 at 11:39 pm to LooseCannon22282
quote:
at least Testaverde lasted a long time in the NFL.
how can you leave Jim Kelly off?
Both were drafted in the 80's. Who gives a shite? That doesn't matter in 2014. The college game is too cyclical for that. I'll admit that Miami has had some solid college QBs, no doubt, but there's been a spread there. There are better selections.
That's like calling USCw RBU or Penn State LBU. Is that really credible in the modern context? Probably not. That might be a legacy, but how does legacy match up with modern performance?
Posted on 7/29/14 at 11:47 pm to Matisyeezy
Penn state still is lbu
Posted on 7/29/14 at 11:49 pm to Matisyeezy
quote:
This is a what have you done for me lately metric.
it is?
Posted on 7/30/14 at 12:03 am to Statsattack
quote:
Penn state still is lbu
link?
quote:
it is?
Absolutely. But feel free to argue. Yale is still one of the best football programs. Right? Oh wait. Nobody cares what you did in 1943. Or 1986. This is about a current state of the program measurement. Who is putting talent into the NFL? 10-15 years is the max you can do, and 15 is probably a stretch. 15 years ago Virginia Tech was competing for national championships. What do they look like now? But seriously, Mike Vick. VTech. QBU.
Do you understand my point? You can't possibly measure a program in 2014 by what they did in 1983. That's just no representative of the current state of things.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 12:08 am to Matisyeezy
quote:
Do you understand my point?
depends on you have as QB U?
and no, I'm not a prisoner of the moment type.
what a horrible way to judge the history of the game.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 12:14 am to LooseCannon22282
QBU is not a measurement of "history if the game," IMO.
I guess that's where we differ. It's cool. I don't think "the game" in 2014 is the same in 1984.
30 years is a lot of time.
I guess that's where we differ. It's cool. I don't think "the game" in 2014 is the same in 1984.
30 years is a lot of time.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 12:19 am to Matisyeezy
quote:
I don't think "the game" in 2014 is the same in 1984.
oh hell naw it isn't.
no huddle, hurry up offenses.
3 WR sets on the reg.
TE's lining up in the slot.
just go back and look at the way offensive linemen use to look in their stances. They'd even be leaning forward in those old wishbone attack offenses.
quote:
QBU is not a measurement of "history if the game," IMO.
to each his own.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 12:29 am to LooseCannon22282
quote:
to each his own.
You're good people. I respect your opinion.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 12:50 am to Matisyeezy
All of this...U stuff is about college and about a place kids want to go at a certain position to get into the league.
It does have nothing to do with - after the fact success, that's up to the particular QB...not the Uni.
Again - along those lines, I agree. What is the hot school for a certain position.
It's not a Uni "career achievement" award.
USC used to be Tailback U...Bush/White...helped last decade...but lets be honest, USC hasn't been Tailback U since 1982....their great run was 1962-1982 for tailbacks.
Another article - LINK
Another one - LINK (USC's active pro quarterbacks haven't found stardom in the NFL.
With one notable exception, they've enjoyed much more success in college than the pro ranks thus far.
But the fact remains that four former USC quarterbacks started at least one game in the 2012 NFL season.)
QB U - Right now it's USC. Rightly or wrongly...however you want to judge...it is what it is.
The 1980's it was Miami. Easily.
And USC is no longer Tailback U.
These things change. Somehow...being the starting QB at USC became the glamor position.
(Over tailback...over being the starting QB of Notre Dame back in the 60's and 70's.)
Look at all the ridiculous - often unwarranted - love Barkley got. They may suck in the Pros...but it's about stepping-stone, college love...and getting the attention and shot at the next level. It's about the draft #'s.
How many of your players at a certain position are getting drafted?
It does have nothing to do with - after the fact success, that's up to the particular QB...not the Uni.
quote:
This is a what have you done for me lately metric.
Again - along those lines, I agree. What is the hot school for a certain position.
It's not a Uni "career achievement" award.
USC used to be Tailback U...Bush/White...helped last decade...but lets be honest, USC hasn't been Tailback U since 1982....their great run was 1962-1982 for tailbacks.
Another article - LINK
Another one - LINK (USC's active pro quarterbacks haven't found stardom in the NFL.
With one notable exception, they've enjoyed much more success in college than the pro ranks thus far.
But the fact remains that four former USC quarterbacks started at least one game in the 2012 NFL season.)
QB U - Right now it's USC. Rightly or wrongly...however you want to judge...it is what it is.
The 1980's it was Miami. Easily.
And USC is no longer Tailback U.
These things change. Somehow...being the starting QB at USC became the glamor position.
(Over tailback...over being the starting QB of Notre Dame back in the 60's and 70's.)
Look at all the ridiculous - often unwarranted - love Barkley got. They may suck in the Pros...but it's about stepping-stone, college love...and getting the attention and shot at the next level. It's about the draft #'s.
How many of your players at a certain position are getting drafted?
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 12:56 am
Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:04 am to Zamoro10
quote:
Look at all the ridiculous - often unwarranted - love Barkley got. They may suck in the Pros...but it's about stepping-stone, college love...and getting the attention and shot at the next level. It's about the draft #'s.
How many of your players at a certain position are getting drafted?
Kinda my thoughts as well.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:50 am to sms151t
Oklahoma
Posted on 7/30/14 at 2:28 am to Ostrich
It's about to be a&m right?
Hopefully LSU
Hopefully LSU
Posted on 7/30/14 at 6:05 am to sms151t
quote:
Hybl, Huepple, white, Bomar (if he counts) didn't go.
They all got to nfl, but were very short in careers
Posted on 7/30/14 at 6:07 am to Statsattack
quote:
Penn state still is lbu
Ohio State says sit the frick down!
As for Quarterback U, as much as i hate to say it, it has to be Michigan:
Tom Brady
Jim Harbaugh
Chad Henne
Elvis Grbac
Brian Grease
Todd Collins
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