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Posted on 7/29/14 at 6:34 pm to LSUZombie
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And besides, a "mom and pop" couldn't afford the rent in the majority of the places that harbor chain restaurants.
This is exactly why I don't get why everyone thinks a chain puts "mom and pop" out of business or that if a chain wasn't here more local places would open. Most people have absolutely no clue how much it costs to open and operate a restaurant much less turn a profit. Not to mention the hours and dedication to make it work. Most restaurants are one small crisis away from closing the doors. They live on the edge and too many people think its something akin to romantic.
Case in point is Latte e Miele last week. Apparently the owners father died along with another crisis or two and he's done. Happens all the time. And each and everyone on here that advocates more local owned restaurants would run away like Carl Lewis if someone asked them to invest and showed them a spreadsheet.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 7:20 pm to Gris Gris
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I hate stacked food.
What you got against pancakes?
Posted on 7/29/14 at 8:24 pm to Martini
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Most restaurants are one small crisis away from closing the doors.
Maybe a market full of chains creates that kind of business climate? They have to operate so close to the edge in order to compete for everyone's dollar.
The masses will flock to pretty colors and souvenir t-shirts. All while sending their money out of town and taking bread off the local table.
Things aren't likely to change though, so Red Lobster will eventually fall and rebrand its soylent behind another marketing campaign.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 8:42 pm to fightin tigers
Well what makes you think if Red Lobster closes all patrons will go to a local restaurant?
They have always operated close to the edge. Most small businesses do which is why many fail. So why not take pride that you "aren't one of the masses" and enjoy good food from mom and pop or local yet recognize that there are more people in this country that either cant afford or just don't care for "farm to table?"
Why does what the masses do bother anyone? And as I said, if it's so easy to open a local place why aren't more people doing it? You can take every franchise, chain, corporate owned restaurant out of Baton Rouge and you will have a few good local and bunch of bad local and 90% will be undercapitalized and closed within 24 months and in debt for ten years.
The money a corporate owned restaurant earns does not all go to some secret bank account in Las Vegas or Tuscon. Local and state taxes are paid, people are employed and spend their money in the local economy. Real estate is bought, food purveyors are used. A corporate owned from out of state is not always a bad thing. You don't like the food? Fine. Understandable. I've never been to Red Lobster. I don't have to because I know what the food would be like and I wouldn't care for it. But I know a few people who like it and think its just fine with them. I don't look down my patrician nose at them. I just say good for you. I hope you enjoyed your evening with your family.
They have always operated close to the edge. Most small businesses do which is why many fail. So why not take pride that you "aren't one of the masses" and enjoy good food from mom and pop or local yet recognize that there are more people in this country that either cant afford or just don't care for "farm to table?"
Why does what the masses do bother anyone? And as I said, if it's so easy to open a local place why aren't more people doing it? You can take every franchise, chain, corporate owned restaurant out of Baton Rouge and you will have a few good local and bunch of bad local and 90% will be undercapitalized and closed within 24 months and in debt for ten years.
The money a corporate owned restaurant earns does not all go to some secret bank account in Las Vegas or Tuscon. Local and state taxes are paid, people are employed and spend their money in the local economy. Real estate is bought, food purveyors are used. A corporate owned from out of state is not always a bad thing. You don't like the food? Fine. Understandable. I've never been to Red Lobster. I don't have to because I know what the food would be like and I wouldn't care for it. But I know a few people who like it and think its just fine with them. I don't look down my patrician nose at them. I just say good for you. I hope you enjoyed your evening with your family.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 8:56 pm to Martini
Preach it Martini, well done 
Posted on 7/29/14 at 8:58 pm to mouton
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How about chic fil a on a red lobster biscuit???
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:11 pm to Martini
Did I make it seem like I was looking down on the patrons? I could care less what are where they eat.
National chains have fricked up the American food landscape there is no question. Most people don't care where their food comes from and just want it cheap.
That said, nationalization has made it harder on people who do care because it forces local competition out (supplier not retail). Local stores run on a razor thin edge and will sacrifice quality in exchange for product longevity or profit.
Red Lobster won't bring fresh gulf shrimp in due to quality control issues. Quality control is huge to them, overall quality is sacrificed to keep the quality equal always.
Getting rid of one chain is like removing one flea from a stray. The market remains the same. The answer isn't to strip away all chains at once, but I don't have your crystal ball to know that 90% of the restaurants would close in 2 years.
National chains have fricked up the American food landscape there is no question. Most people don't care where their food comes from and just want it cheap.
That said, nationalization has made it harder on people who do care because it forces local competition out (supplier not retail). Local stores run on a razor thin edge and will sacrifice quality in exchange for product longevity or profit.
Red Lobster won't bring fresh gulf shrimp in due to quality control issues. Quality control is huge to them, overall quality is sacrificed to keep the quality equal always.
Getting rid of one chain is like removing one flea from a stray. The market remains the same. The answer isn't to strip away all chains at once, but I don't have your crystal ball to know that 90% of the restaurants would close in 2 years.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:45 pm to fightin tigers
My models show 88-92. I just averaged out.
Do you think the plumber or the guy who works at the plywood plant in Boise, Idaho gives a shite if he's eating a gulf shrimp? All that guy wants on a Friday night is to take his wife and couple of kids to have a family meal, maybe a cold beer and enjoy his family. And Red Lobster is the place he can do it. Or Chilis, or grab a little breakfast at Cracker Barrell. Just appreciate living in this locale with access to fresh gulf seafood. Most don't.
I had lunch today at Ninos. $12.00 three course. I had the tomato and Brie pasta. Great lunch, nice full restaurant and my wife and I after tip $35. Local place. I look across Bluebonnet and Applebees parking lot is full. Well dressed corporate people from the area I presume piling in. I didn't see one look forlornly across the street wishing THEY themselves could eat at Ninos.
They might eat at Ninos but not for today's lunch. They didn't look like rubes or peasants. Just good people wanting something in their book ok to eat. If I'm sitting at Applebee's I'm not necessarily looking across wishing I was in the local place.
And now. How exactly has national chains affected you? Taxes? Food? Didn't get the asphalt overlay on your street because too many people ate at a chain and the money didn't go into the community road fund? Really. Public schools failing because corporate greed is steeling yours and my money?
It doesn't affect me. Plenty of local everything out there if you just quit complaining and go look. Do we need more? Sure man. I'm all for it. I'm a small business owner in BR. You want to invest in a good hot dog stand? I'll pony up as much as you and we can go in business. It's one we sorely lack. Really. See its just not that easy.
Do you think the plumber or the guy who works at the plywood plant in Boise, Idaho gives a shite if he's eating a gulf shrimp? All that guy wants on a Friday night is to take his wife and couple of kids to have a family meal, maybe a cold beer and enjoy his family. And Red Lobster is the place he can do it. Or Chilis, or grab a little breakfast at Cracker Barrell. Just appreciate living in this locale with access to fresh gulf seafood. Most don't.
I had lunch today at Ninos. $12.00 three course. I had the tomato and Brie pasta. Great lunch, nice full restaurant and my wife and I after tip $35. Local place. I look across Bluebonnet and Applebees parking lot is full. Well dressed corporate people from the area I presume piling in. I didn't see one look forlornly across the street wishing THEY themselves could eat at Ninos.
They might eat at Ninos but not for today's lunch. They didn't look like rubes or peasants. Just good people wanting something in their book ok to eat. If I'm sitting at Applebee's I'm not necessarily looking across wishing I was in the local place.
And now. How exactly has national chains affected you? Taxes? Food? Didn't get the asphalt overlay on your street because too many people ate at a chain and the money didn't go into the community road fund? Really. Public schools failing because corporate greed is steeling yours and my money?
It doesn't affect me. Plenty of local everything out there if you just quit complaining and go look. Do we need more? Sure man. I'm all for it. I'm a small business owner in BR. You want to invest in a good hot dog stand? I'll pony up as much as you and we can go in business. It's one we sorely lack. Really. See its just not that easy.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:57 pm to Martini
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How exactly has national chains affected you? Taxes?
This was the heart of what I was disliking about chains. Again, I could care less about what they serve and why people frequent them.
I truly believe that the way they ship in food removes revenue from local streams. Instead of local farmers/ranchers/fishers/butchers getting their cut you have a delivery man dropping off at a door.
I will cede to the point of view that we trade off a delivery man for every farmer. It isn't one for one, but it does provide income for a local economy.
Local economy loses when all the necessary goods are harvested out of the area at a sweatshop factory to save money, then shipped in. It forces local vendors out.
Supply and demand, I get it. Just saying it affects everyone even if they don't want to believe it.
ETA: good debate. I personally would never open a restaurant. Don't have the drive, wouldn't open a day care for the same reason. Those things print money.
This post was edited on 7/29/14 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:16 pm to fightin tigers
What you have to realize is we don't live very much in a local economy. We, even in BR, live in a global economy. Times changed and we aren't going back to the milkman, the attendant checking your oil and air pressure or smoking in airplanes. Looking for someone to blame? Blame Hitler. He created the Autobahn which Eisenhower drove on and in turn created the interstate highway system which in turn created suburbia which created enclosed malls, self service gas stations, chain restaurants and beanie babies.
It's not corporate America. It's the Nazis.
It's not corporate America. It's the Nazis.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:19 pm to Martini
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It's not corporate America. It's the Nazis.
Well shite, when you put it that way, I agree with everything you've ever posted.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:24 pm to Martini
I'm not looking for anyone to blame, and those nazi's make a good car.
Think we can have a better local/national balance than what we have now, but the dollar always wins and small and local is at odds with pocketbooks. At least the instant gratification of the pocketbook.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:24 pm to Martini
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Martini
Holy soap box, batman. Chill.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:25 pm to wickowick
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people are not going to go a Chipotle for their anniversary or their birthday,
Never been to Marrero, apparently.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:25 pm to wickowick
Red Lobster is already expensive enough for the hot garbage that they serve.
Nasty food. Olive Garden, by comparison, is MUCH better. I will never eat at Red Lobster again. So very bad.
$15 for garbage.
Nasty food. Olive Garden, by comparison, is MUCH better. I will never eat at Red Lobster again. So very bad.
$15 for garbage.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:34 pm to VOR
You can always skip over my posts. Not really a hard thing. Just scroll down a bit. Your welcome.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:35 pm to Martini
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You can always skip over my posts. Not really a hard thing. Just scroll down a bit. Your welcome.
Nah, I'd rather read and criticize them when I feel like it. Thanks, anyway.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:38 pm to VOR
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Never been to Marrero, apparently.
That's funny
Posted on 7/29/14 at 10:38 pm to VOR
Fine with me. Criticize or join in but don't complain. That's a wasted post.
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