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re: 4th Circuit Court of Appeals strikes down Virginia's Gay Marriage Ban

Posted on 7/28/14 at 8:36 pm to
Posted by pwejr88
Red Stick
Member since Apr 2007
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Posted on 7/28/14 at 8:36 pm to
Let me go check my church.....


"Still don't allow it?"





Ok we're all good here.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46511 posts
Posted on 7/28/14 at 8:37 pm to
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It's clear that it's over and fat lady is singing right now. It's only a matter of time before its legal nation wide.


This

It's time to move on and focus on issues that will actually affect this nation's future viability. The gay marriage battle is over.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46511 posts
Posted on 7/28/14 at 8:41 pm to
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Next step will be forcing churches to conduct ceremonies.


This is nothing more than conservative Christian fear-mongering. There is absolutely zero precedent for this and such a move would be vehemently opposed by even a large number of proponents of gay marriage, such as myself.

Churches will never be forced to wed gay couples against their will.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46511 posts
Posted on 7/28/14 at 8:43 pm to
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looking forward to that.


I want no part of this dream of yours.
Posted by Tim
Texas
Member since Jan 2005
7054 posts
Posted on 7/28/14 at 8:58 pm to
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Churches will never be forced to wed gay couples against their will.


And private businesses will never be forced to bake a cake?
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46511 posts
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:01 pm to
Not even remotely the same thing. There are public accommodation laws (which I oppose) that provide precedent for forcing a baker to make a cake for a gay wedding. Forcing churches to wed gay couples would be a clear violation of the first amendment.

Your comparison is simply invalid.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:15 pm to
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And private businesses will never be forced to bake a cake?


I oppose that as well. It's the state intruding on private property rights and violating the principle of economic freedom of association and the state basically saying they own your labor, capital and overall business. Only somebody that hates freedom would argue otherwise.
Posted by wfeliciana
Member since Oct 2013
4504 posts
Posted on 7/29/14 at 12:12 am to
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Gay marriage on SCOTUS will probably be 6-3 or 7-2 in favor of but it wouldn't be surprising for it to be unanimous as well like loving was.



Doubt it would be unanimous. Scalia would rather stick a hot poker in his eye. Plus you have to add Thomas as against since he does whatever Scalia does.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123940 posts
Posted on 7/29/14 at 6:13 am to
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Churches will never be forced to wed gay couples against their will.
Time will tell.
Constitutional strawman arguments notwithstanding, the antichurch agenda will move forward leveraging social pressure, perhaps in the extreme. In light of a battle not yet waged, stating "churches will never be forced to wed gay couples" is a bit naive.
Posted by BAMAisDIESEL09
Member since Jul 2012
2658 posts
Posted on 7/29/14 at 7:27 am to
As a life long Republican and Virginia resident, I honestly dont care that Virginia will ultimately approve gay marriage. I personally disagree with gay marriage but think that homosexuals should be allowed to get married if they so choose. However, if homosexuals want to be recogized as a normal functioning members of society, they should act as such and refrain from flaunting their flamboyant lifestyle in front of my family. Obscene PDA from both heterosexuals and homosexuals is offensive.
This post was edited on 7/29/14 at 7:29 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123940 posts
Posted on 7/29/14 at 7:31 am to
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I personally disagree with gay marriage but think that homosexuals should be allowed to get married if they so choose
There is not a state in the union that has precluded gay marriage. Lack of recognition for tax purposes does not equate to illegality or a "ban".
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98843 posts
Posted on 7/29/14 at 7:33 am to
The problem is, Virginia isn't making that choice.

The choice Virginia made was to not give legally valid status to gay marriage.

The "choice" was by one (1) district court judge and two (2) appellate judges.

For federalists like myself, I have a problem with this. If VA actually voted to legalize it, I would not have an issue.
Posted by BAMAisDIESEL09
Member since Jul 2012
2658 posts
Posted on 7/29/14 at 7:37 am to
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Lack of recognition for tax purposes does not equate to illegality or a "ban


Understood. I dont care about their recogition for tax purposes either. My only thought is dont infringe upon my life or the liberty of others and I will do the same.
Posted by goldennugget
Hating Masks
Member since Jul 2013
24514 posts
Posted on 7/29/14 at 8:41 am to
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Then I will be there to oppose you and do everything in my power to prevent this statist, freedom and liberty hating dream of yours from ever becoming reality.


We are almost already there

Forcing all 50 states to recognize a made up right of marriage is as statist and big government as it gets

Marriage should fall under grounds of the 10th amendment, left up to the states to handle and for the federal government to GTFO
Posted by goldennugget
Hating Masks
Member since Jul 2013
24514 posts
Posted on 7/29/14 at 8:44 am to
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Churches will never be forced to wed gay couples against their will.


I am not so sure

The gay rights lobby is too large and has become a big leviathan that continues to need to be fed. Once gay marriage is legal in all 50 states the gay rights lobby will need another issue to whip up, so they can continue to be relevant. The gay rights lobby isn't just going to go away, they need issues to get their supporters all riled up about so they can continue to exist and get money.

Forcing churches to marry gays could be that issue to keep them going. They won't just fold.

Did the civil rights movement fold when segregation was ended? They are still alive more than ever, calling racism for every single issue. Gay rights lobby will be no different.
Posted by UL-SabanRival
Member since May 2013
4651 posts
Posted on 7/29/14 at 1:46 pm to
The first and last step to democrat wedge driving is to do a study on voter demographics in states which passed gay marriage bans. Black voters tend to vote pretty heavily in favor of the bans. Rinse. Repeat.

Yet no one does this.
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