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re: Faith in "Science" = "man made religion" (Evolution related)
Posted on 7/28/14 at 1:40 pm to Korkstand
Posted on 7/28/14 at 1:40 pm to Korkstand
quote:prerequisite is not on point. precursor? . . . maybe, maybe not.
even though the evolution of a star is a prerequisite to abiogenesis and, in turn, evolution.
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Posted on 7/28/14 at 1:41 pm to Korkstand
quote:or God accounted for the "chance".
Either it happened somewhere by chance, or god created life on earth
Posted on 7/28/14 at 1:41 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Pointing out that abiogenesis has not been properly explained is not sufficient to disprove evolution, as has been attempted in this thread.
Not by me.
I just gave the example of abiogenesis where scientists believe something on blind faith not to disprove evolution but to make the point they are hypocrites if they ridicule other people who also believe something on blind faith.
This post was edited on 7/28/14 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 7/28/14 at 1:47 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:
they ridicule other people who also believe something on blind faith.
do you see this happening a lot? Are there gangs or science-bullies harassing the good believers of your town?
Posted on 7/28/14 at 1:50 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:
I just gave the example of abiogenesis where scientists believe something on blind faith
It's not blind faith when someone can see life on earth. If you have no belief in a creator, abiogenesis obviously happened.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 1:53 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:
I'm embarrassed for you
Your embarrassed that I posted a direct quote from a highly educated, and much published professor, at a major university who happens to be an avowed Darwinist about the subject matter in the thread?
Posted on 7/28/14 at 1:55 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:
I just gave the example of abiogenesis where scientists believe something on blind faith not to disprove evolution but to make the point they are hypocrites if they ridicule other people who also believe something on blind faith.
Abiogenesis has a demonstrable mechanism and is congruent with what we observe. The same cannot be said for organized religion.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 1:56 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:
Abiogenesis has a demonstrable mechanism
Only if you completely bastardize the meaning of the word "demonstrable"
Posted on 7/28/14 at 1:57 pm to RoyMcavoy
quote:
do you see this happening a lot?
I see it happening every time people express their belief that God created life.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 1:58 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:
Abiogenesis has a demonstrable mechanism and is congruent with what we observe
Please go on.... What is this demonstrable mechanism whereof you speak?
Posted on 7/28/14 at 1:59 pm to DawgfaninCa
Can't we all just get along?
I never intended for this to happen.
I never intended for this to happen.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:01 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:May be a bridge too far as of yet. It certainly could be congruent with an extension to our observations, thus far.
Abiogenesis has a demonstrable mechanism and is congruent with what we observe.
quote:Meh.
The same cannot be said for organized religion.
Regardless of faith, you don't give religion enough credit. It does have it's warts though, no question.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:06 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:The statement you replied to was intentionally absurd, I think. He was replying to the guy who had, about a dozen times, argued that evolutionary theory could not be accurate simply because it does not explain the origin of life.
Because the statement I was replying to was all-encompassing and fairly silly. It referred to all scientists.
quote:Sure.
Either abiogenetic origin occurred or it didn't.
Right?
quote:Sure.
Certainly we can agree abiogenesis as a postulate is at least reasonable speculation.
Right?
quote:Sure.
Certainly there are a litany of scientists who believe it represents a most likely explanation.
Right?
quote:Would you also include chemistry, the nature of molecules, atoms/subatomic particles, star formation, fusion, etc. in this continuum? Because, with perfect understanding, surely we could trace step-by-step as a single process how elements fuse into others, undergo reactions, and combine into molecules that continue on reacting and converting energy and replicating and eventually becoming what we refer to as "life", which then continues on replicating and evolving, etc. Right? Where do you draw the line on this continuum?
Certainly within that line of thought, abiogenesis and evolutionary theory represent a continuum.
Right?
quote:There is no controversy. Evolutionary theory describes the origin of species, nothing more.
I guess I'm missing the controversy here.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:12 pm to Korkstand
quote:Correct.
Because, with perfect understanding, surely we could trace step-by-step as a single process how elements fuse into others, undergo reactions, and combine into molecules that continue on reacting and converting energy and replicating and eventually becoming what we refer to as "life", which then continues on replicating and evolving, etc. Right?
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:14 pm to Korkstand
Tell any biologist in the world that you think they believe life evolves from non life and you will be laughed out of the room.....Klarv
we could trace step-by-step as a single process how elements fuse into others, undergo reactions, and combine into molecules that continue on reacting and converting energy and replicating and eventually becoming what we refer to as "life", which then continues on replicating and evolving...Kork
we could trace step-by-step as a single process how elements fuse into others, undergo reactions, and combine into molecules that continue on reacting and converting energy and replicating and eventually becoming what we refer to as "life", which then continues on replicating and evolving...Kork
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:15 pm to TK421
quote:
It's not blind faith when someone can see life on earth. If you have no belief in a creator, abiogenesis obviously happened.
Seeing life is irrelevant.
Anyone who believes life was created as a result of abiogenesis is basing their belief solely on blind faith since there is NO scientific evidence.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:16 pm to Korkstand
quote:Ah.
The statement you replied to was intentionally absurd, I think.
In that case, I may simply have missed the "intentionally" part.
Whether intentional or not though . . . it is what it is.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:17 pm to mattloc
quote:
Tell any biologist in the world that you think they believe life evolves from non life and you will be laughed out of the room....
I knew these was believers in their own man made religion. They just dont understand that it is also God who they believe in.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:19 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:
I just gave the example of abiogenesis where scientists believe something on blind faith not to disprove evolution but to make the point they are hypocrites if they ridicule other people who also believe something on blind faith.
OP linked a video that was produced by a religious man for the sole purpose of attempting to ridicule scientists.
But let me ask you: who is more deserving of ridicule?
Someone who bases their "beliefs" in an idea that is backed by mountains of evidence (evolution), and who admits where answers are lacking (abiogenesis).
OR
Someone who bases their beliefs on absolutely nothing of substance?
Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:20 pm to mattloc
quote:Obviously Klarv's statement speaks to his views regarding the honesty of "any biologist" rather than actual honest and inclusive beliefs of each of those those biologists.
Tell any biologist in the world that you think they believe life evolves from non life and you will be laughed out of the room.....Klarv
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