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re: Spinoff thread - Should I reinstall Windows 7?
Posted on 7/21/14 at 11:18 am to junkfunky
Posted on 7/21/14 at 11:18 am to junkfunky
Since you have to get a new hard drive, I second the SSD.
If cleaning the drive didn't help the issue, then formatting and reinstalling wouldn't help the issue with a bad drive.
I don't understand all the hate for Windows 8. I have it installed at my house and absolutely love it.
I don't even know how this tread got to macs with just a simple question about computer running slow and asking if you should reinstall. I had an iMac. I loved it. But once the video card went out on it, it was cheaper for me to build a new PC than to get that card replaced. I'll get another iMac down the road, but it won't be anytime soon.
If cleaning the drive didn't help the issue, then formatting and reinstalling wouldn't help the issue with a bad drive.
I don't understand all the hate for Windows 8. I have it installed at my house and absolutely love it.
I don't even know how this tread got to macs with just a simple question about computer running slow and asking if you should reinstall. I had an iMac. I loved it. But once the video card went out on it, it was cheaper for me to build a new PC than to get that card replaced. I'll get another iMac down the road, but it won't be anytime soon.
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Posted on 7/21/14 at 12:56 pm to Hopeful Doc
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But with regards to maintenance, I don't know how the idea that Macs don't get viruses or need to be defragged comes from.
The idea comes from general lack of hardware and industry knowledge with Mac users. And since most of the Mac line now ships with an SSD which should never be defragged, the lack of maintenance required gets treated as a Mac feature. For their HDD products, OS X uses adaptive clustering, which is essentially a defrag-as-you-go feature that prevents the obvious slowdowns but doesn't entirely eliminate all fragmentation, especially when you reach that 10-15% threshold of free space. Microsoft has automated the defrag process for past 7 years or so.
As for the Macs don't get viruses myth, we all know that it is simply a case of Macs not being a prime target for viruses, and that fact got shifted into a marketing strategy long ago. One theory has always been that Windows' higher market share is the main factor,
and another reason is that OS X is a neatly packaged closed system with lower chance of human error.
Another factor has to do with the type of users. While I say Mac users tend to live in a bubble of ignorance, there is a far greater concentration of really, really stupid Windows users. Mom, Dad, Grandma, Aunt Ida, etc. On top of that, the truly malicious trojans/malware with the highest concentration of effort are going to target the enterprise/government environment - i.e., non-Apple OS - where the most profits (money and information) can be gained.
I get the feeling that some Mac users here haven't used PCs since the Justin Long and John Hodgman commercials, or since XP to Vista. Like every tech company, Microsoft goes through waves of shittiness but corrects course, and it really only affects the most basic of users.
And to sort of get back on topic, I've been holding off switching from 7 to 8.1 for a while. Just a couple of weeks after Windows 8 was released, I played around with it in VirtualBox, and of course it instantly disgusted me. Seems to have improved. Still see no reason to find it superior to Windows 7, other than the faster boot time and slight reduction in resource usage. Still, more friends and relatives (and the people here) are starting to ask me for computer help that's specific to Windows 8/8.1, and my lack of experience in it is making me have to Google too much.
This post was edited on 10/10/15 at 11:17 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 2:31 am to Hopeful Doc
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Did you msconfig it?
What do I do once I get there? I read something about unchecking "load startup" items but I haven't done that. I did uncheck a few items one by one. Other recommendations?
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How much RAM are you running?
8GB
I ordered a hard drive the Dell site recommended with the diagnostics. Am I going to regret not getting an SSD?
ETA: Dell recommended a 256gb SSD for $389, so that's one reason why I chose to go the $75 route. I wouldn't really know how to find the proper SSD if I looked elsewhere as Dell is smart and doesn't give too much info on it. Also, what do you do after 256GB, is this where I'm supposed to get more used to cloud storage? I'm still a little scared of going all-in on that
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 2:52 am
Posted on 7/22/14 at 2:37 am to Murtagh
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If cleaning the drive didn't help the issue, then formatting and reinstalling wouldn't help the issue with a bad drive.
Yeah, I'm glad I ran that Dell diagnostics instead of reinstalling and still having same issues anyway. I wonder if Dell is just lying to make me buy another drive?
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I don't even know how this tread got to macs with just a simple question about computer running slow and asking if you should reinstall.
This.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:47 am to Sho Nuff
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What do I do once I get there?
In the startup tab, disable everything.
Services tab--> hide all Microsoft services--> disable all that aren't Intel or Dell
ETA- Kingston makes a 128GB SSd for like $54 on Amazon. Can't really do too bad with that.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 8:48 am
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:06 pm to Hopeful Doc
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Hopeful Doc
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In the startup tab, disable everything.
Literally everything? Even the Intel, Dell stuff?
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Services tab--> hide all Microsoft services--> disable all that aren't Intel or Dell
Ok, hid all Micro. Disabled almost everything that isn't Intel or Dell. But what about things like NVIDIA and AVG (anti-virus)? DO you have a better suggestion than using AVG by the way?
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ETA- Kingston makes a 128GB SSd for like $54 on Amazon. Can't really do too bad with that.
Ok, couple questions: Will any SSD fit in my laptop or how does that work? I've seen something about caddies, but I'm not sure of which one would be right?
Second, what happens after I go over the 128GB? Where do I store stuff? W7 takes up 65GB of space on my 750GB HD as it is now, is that different with an SSD? And I have almost 200GB of crap on my computer now with music and pictures, etc.
ETA: Check this link on Amazon
256GB SSD
Will any of these work for my XPS or will I need some sort of specs to figure that out. Which one would you go with out of these on the 1st page? I do have Prime.
TIA, Doc
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:24 pm to Sho Nuff
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DO you have a better suggestion than using AVG by the way?
I've used ESET on all my computers the last couple years and I've never had an issue. You can usually find it on Newegg for 10 bucks, or 3 licenses for 20.
You should be able to use any SSD. they are the same size as laptop hard drives, so it should fit in the same spot.
As far as space, either shell out more money and get a bigger SSD, or get an external hard drive to store everything. In my desktop I use an SSD for OS and programs, everything else, including games, get installed on a separate hard drive.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 5:26 pm to Sho Nuff
Does anyone know where I can download W-7 from without having a key.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 5:37 pm to Sho Nuff
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DO you have a better suggestion than using AVG by the way?
Microsoft Security Essentials
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Ok, couple questions: Will any SSD fit in my laptop or how does that work? I've seen something about caddies, but I'm not sure of which one would be right?
Second, what happens after I go over the 128GB? Where do I store stuff? W7 takes up 65GB of space on my 750GB HD as it is now, is that different with an SSD? And I have almost 200GB of crap on my computer now with music and pictures, etc.
Any 2.5" SSD will work. You can install Windows on the SSD and keep your hard drive as storage, if you are willing to give up your optical drive. Just need one of these:
EDIT: post a screen shot of your sevices and startup items.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 6:15 pm to Murtagh
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I've used ESET
Will look into it, thanks.
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As far as space, either shell out more money and get a bigger SSD, or get an external hard drive to store everything.
Well, now I'm looking at the 256GB SSD. The 500GB are over $250 on Amazon unless I get a "Crucial" for $215, but never heard of them. I do have a 1TB external HD, but that scares me not having anything on my computer and only trusting the external.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 6:30 pm to ILikeLSUToo
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Microsoft Security Essentials
I'm glad you said this as I've heard some people like it. It comes free with Windows, correct? This is all I need for anti-virus? I also have CCleaner I use once in a while. Any other anti-whatever you'd recommend me having?
I had to take a few screen shots as I couldn't stretch the box to show all items:
services
startup
Posted on 7/22/14 at 6:31 pm to Sho Nuff
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"Crucial" for $215, but never heard of them.
Crucial's manufacturer, Micron, is one of the most prolific NAND manufacturers on the planet.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 6:36 pm to ILikeLSUToo
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Any 2.5" SSD will work. You can install Windows on the SSD and keep your hard drive as storage, if you are willing to give up your optical drive. Just need one of these:
Well I think my current hard drive is screwed. Dell Diagnostics said replace it and today when I was booting up it went to a black screen and said something about "checking on a disk that isn't consistent" or something like that and then it ran some tests and finally booted up. I can post a screen shot of that if needed? I assume the HD is fricked? Now I wish I wouldn't have ordered the HDD from Dell. I guess I can just return it.
But I do like the idea of having both, I don't really use the optical drive. Although, I would be using the W7 disk I have to reinstall W7. I also have a Drivers and Utilities DVD. Do I even need that or will the W7 DVD install everything I need?
Thanks for you guys help
Posted on 7/22/14 at 7:44 pm to ILikeLSUToo
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Crucial's manufacturer, Micron, is one of the most prolific NAND manufacturers on the planet.
Check this out
500GB
It has a 5 star rating. The 256 goes for $110. I could get away with the 256 and still have about 35GB free space after W7 and all my stuff. You'd recommend Crucial over say the Samsung, SanDisk, or Kingston?
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 7:50 pm to Sho Nuff
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You'd recommend Crucial over say the Samsung, SanDisk, or Kingston?
No, it doesn't matter. I was just saying don't count Crucial out just because you haven't heard of them. There are fewer controller manufacturers than there are brands. Samsung, SanDisk, Kingston, Crucial, A-Data, Toshiba, Intel, Corsair, OCZ, Mushkin... all fine.
Post a pic of that black screen message plz.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:38 pm to ILikeLSUToo
This was when I grabbed my phone and took a pic. The first thing it said was something about a disk not being consistent.
After it did everything, it booted up fine. I think I may look into the best priced/reviewed 256GB or 500GB SSD then. I don't want to spend too much as I could just buy a new computer and get all upgraded stuff. This is 2 years old, so it's not bad. 8GB ram and it is quad core. But it just seems slow. Maybe the SSD fixes all that
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:51 pm to Sho Nuff
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8GB ram and it is quad core.
Ive had my laptop for more than 5 years. It has a C2Duo and I upgraded the RAM from 4 GB to 8 GB. It is very fast.
The desktop I built 4 years ago has 8 GB of ram and a Quad Core like yours. Its still fast.
Sounds like the programs you have installed are making it slow.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 10:35 pm to Sho Nuff
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8GB ram and it is quad core. But it just seems slow. Maybe the SSD fixes all that
Yes. Doesn't matter how strong or weak your processor is or, to an extent, how much RAM you have. Any computer with a mechanical hard drive being used for the OS will be bottlenecked by that hard drive. Doesn't matter if it's a dual CPU board with 12-core xeons and 32GB of RAM, none of that meaningfully affects how fast Windows boots, or how quickly programs launch, files open, programs and updates install, files copy, etc.
Only when that shite is loaded does the performance of your processor really matter. Your computer's interface still has to run on physical media. In fact, I bet if you presented two different computers to the average user to mess around with (word document, web browsing, video watching, etc.) -- one with a dual-core pentium, 4GB of RAM, and an SSD; the other with a 12-core xeon, 32GB ram, and a RAID 0 7200RPM HDD setup -- 100% would conclude that the technically weaker setup with the SSD was way faster.
I wrote a lengthy post explaining why a Windows PC can slow down over time and briefly explained how an SSD works (It's a Mac vs. PC discussion, but the slow-down and SSD stuff is relevant). Read it here: LINK
Also, I don't think anything is wrong with your hard drive. That's just a chkdsk screen, which can run automatically under a variety of circumstances.
If you're still going to use only an SSD (rather than get a caddy or external HDD for files), and you have 200GB worth of shite, I'd advise a 500GB SSD. However, the 200GB worth of standalone files (documents, photos, videos) do not really need to be on the SSD. Priority for SSD is OS and drivers/utilities -> Resource-intensive software with lots of core files (photoshop, video editing software, etc) -> Browsers and office programs -> Rest of your software and games.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:53 am to boXerrumble
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Sounds like the programs you have installed are making it slow.
I really don't have that much installed though. The freezing up thing is relatively new.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 1:39 am to ILikeLSUToo
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Also, I don't think anything is wrong with your hard drive. That's just a chkdsk screen, which can run automatically under a variety of circumstances.
I re-ran the Dell diagnostics and it was same results as yesterday. The "targeted read test" FAILED under the Hard Drive. Then this screen came next:
I don't know what to do next?
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