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re: The Republican Party needs a good Purge

Posted on 7/20/14 at 11:04 am to
Posted by Sal Minella
Member since Nov 2006
1951 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 11:04 am to
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we are shifting away from throwing caution in the wind foreign policy and moving towards actually thinking about wht we're getting into.


These are not new ideas. Bush 41's thoughts on Iraq Exit Strategy and Reagan didn't tear headlong into Lebanon after the bombing of the Marine barracks.

Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
48842 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 11:05 am to
Statistics show overwhelmingly south of the border immigrants come here for handouts and send their money home, it's a lose lose
Posted by The Third Leg
Idiot Out Wandering Around
Member since May 2014
10037 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 11:06 am to
I agree. It's time for the Xtian Fundamentalists who have been loud since 9/11 to STFU and take a seat.
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
48842 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 11:07 am to
In 2009 (based on data collected in 2010), 57 percent of households headed by an immigrant (legal and illegal) with children (under 18) used at least one welfare program, compared to 39 percent for native households with children.

Immigrant households’ use of welfare tends to be much higher than natives for food assistance programs and Medicaid. Their use of cash and housing programs tends to be similar to native households.

A large share of the welfare used by immigrant households with children is received on behalf of their U.S.-born children, who are American citizens. But even households with children comprised entirely of immigrants (no U.S.-born children) still had a welfare use rate of 56 percent in 2009.

Immigrant households with children used welfare programs at consistently higher rates than natives, even before the current recession. In 2001, 50 percent of all immigrant households with children used at least one welfare program, compared to 32 percent for natives.

Households with children with the highest welfare use rates are those headed by immigrants from the Dominican Republic (82 percent), Mexico and Guatemala (75 percent), and Ecuador (70 percent). Those with the lowest use rates are from the United Kingdom (7 percent), India (19 percent), Canada (23 percent), and Korea (25 percent).
Posted by The Third Leg
Idiot Out Wandering Around
Member since May 2014
10037 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 11:08 am to
Small Government

Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 11:55 am to
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The Third Leg


Another incredibly compelling argument. Will definitely bookmark and read again.

Posted by The Third Leg
Idiot Out Wandering Around
Member since May 2014
10037 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 11:59 am to
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Another incredibly compelling argument. Will definitely bookmark and read again.

The most compelling arguments are usually rooted in simplicity.

Times are changing. Change or step aside.
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
48842 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:00 pm to
We have an insanely wasteful government with zero responsibility , how much of that is social net for deadbeats
Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:04 pm to
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The most compelling arguments are usually rooted in simplicity.


Then it should be incredibly simple to make that same argument. Still waiting.

All I have seen from the OP is a desire is to be a Democrat.
Posted by The Third Leg
Idiot Out Wandering Around
Member since May 2014
10037 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:11 pm to
I hear the same from a lot of old school liberals - that all they have seen over the past twenty years is a desire for the Democratic Party to become Fiscal Conservatives.
Posted by BobRoss
Member since Jun 2014
1693 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:22 pm to
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antibarner


I'm not saying renounce your beliefs. I mean a presidential candidate that is pro life and anti gay marriage is not electable.

What drove me away from the Republican party was Sarah Palin. It's obvious she didn't know shite about foreign policy or economics, she's just a dumb house wife that lucked into politics. How any rational person can support her is beyond me.
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
48842 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:28 pm to
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What drove me away from the Republican party was Sarah Palin. It's obvious she didn't know shite about foreign policy or economics, she's just a dumb house wife that lucked into politics. How any rational person can support her is beyond me.



Looks like she and Romney knew a hell of a lot more than the bumbling affirmative action Obama, worst foreign policy president in history, only Carter is close.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:40 pm to
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I'm not saying renounce your beliefs. I mean a presidential candidate that is pro life and anti gay marriage is not electable.


A modicum of honesty. Thanks.

And my response? You have the Democratic Party. And I mean that with the utmost respect and honesty. Without those two social issues (of which I will gladly agree they are both social issues) then they are almost exactly the same in practice (and even - for the most part, in theory as well). They really are not that different anymore. One says it is for big government and lives it out in their practice. The other says it is for small government but lives out big government.

I don't mind that people have issues with Evangelical Christians. What I have an issue is they simply won't openly say it.

On the other issue, I agree wholeheartedly with Sentrius. Young people are increasingly secular in their outlook. My point is just because you reject the tenets of Christianity does not mean that you are going to attract them to the Republican Party. There are other issues that fail to make them appealing than just those two social issues.

ETA: And for the record, I am an Evangelical Christian who believes in a literal interpretation of the Bible. I challenge anyone to look through my posts and see where I have advocated that my worldvidew be legislated by the government. Ever.
This post was edited on 7/20/14 at 12:44 pm
Posted by FlagLake
"Da Ship"
Member since Feb 2006
2337 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:47 pm to
Amen!
Posted by The Third Leg
Idiot Out Wandering Around
Member since May 2014
10037 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:48 pm to
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A modicum of honesty. Thanks.

Was this not obvious?
Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:50 pm to
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Was this not obvious?


No, it was not. If you have a position, take it.
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 1:30 pm to
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It's obvious she didn't know shite about foreign policy or economics, she's just a dumb house wife that lucked into politics.


She likely knows way more than you do. You do realize that Sarah Palin has no power and wouldnt have had any power if McCain had been elected. Obama is a bumbling idiot that lucked into politics...and is the most powerful government official in the country
Posted by Jagd Tiger
The Kinder, Gentler Jagd
Member since Mar 2014
18139 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 1:36 pm to
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Statistics show overwhelmingly south of the border immigrants come here for handouts and send their money home, it's a lose lose


unless you're a big, fascist, govt loving dem,, in which case it's a win-win.

but together...

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I think we can get this done..
This post was edited on 7/20/14 at 1:40 pm
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
23710 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:36 pm to
Sarah Palin would be better than Elizabeth Warren or Hillary Clinton. I am not a Palin supporter but let me ask you a question. If you could turn the clock back and you decided who occupies the White House, who would you go with, Palin or Barack Obama? And why?

This should be interesting.

After all, Obama was an unqualified "community organizer" and "academic" raised by people with questionable loyalties who was elected pretty much because of his pigmentation.
This post was edited on 7/20/14 at 2:39 pm
Posted by La Place Mike
West Florida Republic
Member since Jan 2004
28790 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 3:07 pm to
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I mean a presidential candidate that is pro life and anti gay marriage is not electable.
I'm not so sure about the pro life part. The country is pretty evenly split on this issue.
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