re: There is no such thing as a Palestinian

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ironically, the Palestinian Christians also opposed zionism, so your post is correct.

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Interesting point. Many of the conflicts in the region are "by proxy" - Persians and Arabs fight, with the Sh'ia/Sunni schism as a proxy, Arabs and Jews fight with Islam/Judaism as a proxy. An interesting one is the Balkans - whereas Orthodox/Islam is often the overt expression of conflict (Serbian/Bosnian or Serbian Albanian), they all universally hate the Turks, even the European Muslims. And it doesn't explain the Croat (Catholic) and Serb (Orthodox) conflict either - they don't even have a language barrier - they just hate because they have for centuries.

Now, rtts48, are you either Palestinian or Muslim?

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I must have missed the news the days that the Christians started exploding busses and lobbing bombs at civilians and proclaimed again and again that the Jews would be driven into the sea.

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you did. Christians are not part of Hamas.... but don't forget that Arab Christians were part of the PLO and were responsible for many attacks on Israelis. Look up George Habash, a Christian, who was part of many bombings of Israeli targets.

This is an ethnic war, not a religious one. Jew vs. Arab. If all were atheists, this race war would not disappear.

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it was a flash flood ethnic invasion by Jews which the West encouraged due to a deeply embedded Jewish bias

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You know Jews couldn't join country clubs in this country until about 3 weeks before blacks could, right?

And, you'll recall that Europeans were herding Jews into concentration camps and developing techniques on how to kill them faster and more cost effectively as recently as 70 years ago, right?

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a zero perspective of the Arabs

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I can't disagree with this.

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So now we are left with the military dictatorship run by Jews where they can murder anyone they want

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"Murder" anyone they want? You have a link for this?

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abuse a defenseless civilian population.

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A defenseless population that chooses to allow it's leaders and fighting men to hide behind them and lob rockets into a heavily armed and besieged neighbor?

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They can get away with it because they are sacred Jews and the victims are the evil Arabs (villains), the most hated people in US culture.

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To a certain degree, yes - we have a large Jewish population in the U.S., and their influence in law, finance, entertainment, etc., is greatly out of proportion to their raw numbers - is their a pro Jewish and pro Israeli sentiment in the U.S. today? Certainly.

The Arab/Muslim influence is growing - unfortunately what gets the news is terrorism. It's easy to think of Arabs and Muslims as the enemy when they think of us this way - and vice versa - I understand the reverse sentiment as well - it is a vicious cycle - just like we see in the region itself and the struggles between the "Palestinian" and the Israelis.

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you did. Christians are not part of Hamas.... but don't forget that Arab Christians were part of the PLO and were responsible for many attacks on Israelis. Look up George Habash, a Christian, who was part of many bombings of Israeli targets.

This is an ethnic war, not a religious one. Jew vs. Arab. If all were atheists, this race war would not disappear.

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On Arab/Palestinian Christians... when Israel was created, Islamic Fundamentalism was not all the rage. What was popular was Arab Nationalism. Nasser in Egypt was an Arab nationalist, and so was Sadat. Christians could fit in that group.

Times have changed. Arab nationalism has receded and Islamic Fundamentalism has risen. There's no room for Christians in Islamic Fundamentalism, and we see that because Christian villages are being massacred in Muslim countries.

It is true that a lot of the Christian institutions and leading figures in Israel still side with the Palestinians, or are more favorable to them. Some of the older ones still think apparently Arab nationalism is relevant and some are just scared that they or their constituents will get killed by enraged Muslims if they dissent from the Arab nationalist line.

Street opinion however is a different matter. You've already had Kristallnacht-like events occur against Christians in Muslim towns and villages like Nazareth in Israel, and it's not uncommon to see in graffiti in some places the phrase "First the Saturday people, than the Sunday people." You've also had an uptick of Arab Christians volunteering to serve in the IDF.

I think as the older Arab Christians in Israel die off, you're going to see a shift away from loyalty to the Palestinians to loyalty to Israel or silence if people are too afraid to speak. It's already happening.

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Nope. It's a cultural war which includes elements of ethnicity and religion.

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Agreed.

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If the Palestinian Arabs were in a position of power over the Jews, they would subjugate them and annihilate them. Period.

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Mostly agreed.

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Islam is a death cult and the source of great evil throughout history.

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Cannot agree on this one. This is true of the current radical Sh'ia and even some of the radical Sunni sects - but political leadership of the region has warped a generally benign monotheistic faith (essentially a nephew, or arguably even a child of Judaism, as Christianity is) into a sword and use it with incredible effectiveness.

Even 75 years ago, your statement would have been utter nonsense.

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Arabs DO NOT WANT PEACE.

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Again, it may be semantics, but Arabs are, for the most part, like everbody else - they want to earn a living, raise their children and enjoy themselves. Even Arabs collectively, aren't barbaric genocide practitioners.

However, their collective leadership does not want peace with Israel - nor does the Persian political and religious leadership. That's absolutely a fair statement - one has to look no further than their own words AND deeds for the past 70 years.

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Hell in Iraq they're mostly all muslims and still killing each other at a near record pace.

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Yeah, but that's radical Sunni and non-radial Sh'ia (relative to Iran, anyway.) As it drags on, the Sh'ia will get more radical, though - as Iran more or less intends.

if all of the Palestinians were Jewish, they would still be fighting each other?

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You know Jews couldn't join country clubs in this country until about 3 weeks before blacks could, right?

And, you'll recall that Europeans were herding Jews into concentration camps and developing techniques on how to kill them faster and more cost effectively as recently as 70 years ago, right?

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Arabs & Muslims are the last ethnic/religious category where hatred or open dislike is acceptable. Can't say anything negative about Jews without becoming David Duke in the public's eye. And then the Nazi 1930s Germany imagery sets in as in the quote.

Jews are in the Bible as sacred people and Holocaust victims. Arabs did 9/11, 2 Iraq wars, "Muslim" = terrorist. The pro Jew bias in the mind of the average American is very strong.

It's the perfect storm. Jews could not have chosen a better adversary than Arabs in the American cultural/political backdrop. Imagine if the zionists were shooting and oppressing blacks or Latinos, we would have outrage. Even gays have become a protected class culturally, no more "fig" jokes. Wish death on Arabs, it's not really importnt.

is he trying to use this to put a negative light on Israel. Well Palestine or no Palestine there is a group called Hamas who have been sending rockets over Israel territory and have done their best to hurt them, Israel to defend themselves have attacked them so the tunnels and rockets can stop.