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Posted on 7/18/14 at 7:17 am to lsuroadie
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but thread is making a point of laws designed to capture criminals.....Aaaaaaaaaand of course they don't
Well they might have just prevented someone who shouldn't have a gun from having a gun. If she can't do 5 minutes of research as to where she can and cannot have a gun or certain ammo, I don't trust her judgment with the gun in the first place.
This post was edited on 7/18/14 at 7:18 am
Posted on 7/18/14 at 7:21 am to lsuroadie
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her future and her two sons, Niaire, 10, and Sincere, 3
This is the real crime here
Posted on 7/18/14 at 7:29 am to lsuroadie
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Nappen said potential jurors could invoke jury nullification, a constitutional doctrine allowing juries to acquit defendants who are technically guilty, but don't deserve to be punished. It can apply in all states, but attorneys are generally not permitted to introduce the concept to jurors.
This is a good point and an excellent example of where jury nullification should happen. It's ashamed that the legal system suppresses education on jury nullification.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 7:41 am to Big Scrub TX
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NJ has very clear hollow point laws.
Aren't we past the point in history where laws don't mean anything anymore? The chief law enforcement officer in this country doesn't give a shite about them.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 7:54 am to Tigerlaff
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First friggin reply to the thread shows you their strategy. Change the law, and you're no longer a law abiding citizen. Boom.
and the next step for the tyrant is to only apply the laws to those you don't like, kind of like the IRS does 501? investigations
Posted on 7/18/14 at 8:14 am to gthog61
I hate this for the lady. Its unfortunate. But ignorance of the law is not nor should it be a defense. 3 years is ridiculous and exposes NJ for being over empatic when it comes to sentencing for simple possession of a gun.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 8:21 am to Tigerlaff
quote:There are ways to transport a gun through New Jersey. This wasn't the case with her. She was bringing her gun for a night of partying in Atlantic City... at best.
You'd think there would be a privileges and immunities clause exception regarding safe passage and travel. There should be, anyway.
I would criticize the Pennsylvania concealed weapon authorities for not making sure that anyone who receives a license knows fully that their license doesn't apply in neighboring states. I would if I had reason to believe they didn't do that with her.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 8:23 am to lsu480
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'they'll never arrest law abiding citizens'
But she wasn't following the laws....
Should they arrest everyone for not following laws or pick and choose?
Posted on 7/18/14 at 8:38 am to OLDBEACHCOMBER
The streets are worse than ever because a) thugs b) Christie has no balls to enact meaningful gun control because he has to pander to the out of state rednecks to get the Rep nomination in 2016.
So screwing our state to suck to corn belt Neanderthals
So screwing our state to suck to corn belt Neanderthals
Posted on 7/18/14 at 8:40 am to mmcgrath
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She was bringing her gun for a night of partying in Atlantic City... at best.
you can't be serious.....you are aren't you?
Posted on 7/18/14 at 8:44 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
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Christie has no balls to enact meaningful gun control
you mean gun control will reduce street violence??? holy shite Batman, why didn't you say so!
seriously, Joe, we've literally torpedoed that nonsense into oblivion on this board. are you really that stuck in the leftist quagmire of talking points?
Posted on 7/18/14 at 8:44 am to lsuroadie
quote:Not sure what part of that statement confuses you...quote:you can't be serious.....you are aren't you?
She was bringing her gun for a night of partying in Atlantic City... at best.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 8:46 am to mmcgrath
a working professional mom with NO criminal record decides to go party it up in ATL City packing a piece to wreak havoc?
you're an idiot...go read the story
you're an idiot...go read the story
Posted on 7/18/14 at 8:55 am to Purple Spoon
What a mess. Hate to sound judgmental or anti-gun (I own some myself), but it does sound pretty sketchy. This "birthday party" sounds like a major event, not very spontaneous (leaving the state et al), and so you figure she already was making these plans when she bought the gun... wouldn't you have asked about interstate traffic?
From what I've read, you have to involve an FFL to get a handgun in Pennsylvania, even if from another person (not a store)- to do the exchange.
I read that online, in a forum asking about best places to buy and exchange a handgun- a Penn poster commented that was the law for pistols there, no meeting in a public parking lot etc (unless for long guns only).
In a slightly related aside, hollowpoints in a .380; a lot of people say they aren't very effective anyway. Serious risk of underpenetration and/or lack of expansion. A bunch of ballistic data backs this up (google for stuff on 9 makarov, a similar but slightly hotter round). It would suck to face extra charges, simply because you fell prey to marketing and bought more expensive ammo.
From what I've read, you have to involve an FFL to get a handgun in Pennsylvania, even if from another person (not a store)- to do the exchange.
I read that online, in a forum asking about best places to buy and exchange a handgun- a Penn poster commented that was the law for pistols there, no meeting in a public parking lot etc (unless for long guns only).
In a slightly related aside, hollowpoints in a .380; a lot of people say they aren't very effective anyway. Serious risk of underpenetration and/or lack of expansion. A bunch of ballistic data backs this up (google for stuff on 9 makarov, a similar but slightly hotter round). It would suck to face extra charges, simply because you fell prey to marketing and bought more expensive ammo.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 9:49 am to Tigerlaff
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You'd think there would be a privileges and immunities clause exception regarding safe passage and travel. There should be, anyway.
Agreed, but it would be difficult to prove that you were just transiting through the state.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 10:16 am to lsuroadie
Couple of questions.....routine traffic stop, did the cop search her vehicle or did she volunteer the fact she had a firearm in the car?
Secondly, the government has purchased millions of rounds of hollow point bullets....are they allowed to carry them in New Jersey?
Secondly, the government has purchased millions of rounds of hollow point bullets....are they allowed to carry them in New Jersey?
Posted on 7/18/14 at 10:22 am to OLDBEACHCOMBER
quote:This administration is currently picking and choosing what laws to enforce....pot is legal in several states but remains a federal crime. Border enforcement. Refusing to investigate/prosecute the IRS employees for releasing protected documents...the list goes on and on.
Should they arrest everyone for not following laws or pick and choose?
Posted on 7/18/14 at 10:37 am to idlewatcher
quote:Especially when you are driving directly to the Southeast corner of the state which shares no border with another state. Technically you could take the ferry from Cape May.
Agreed, but it would be difficult to prove that you were just transiting through the state.
I do believe the rules are for you to carry the gun unloaded in a locked container, but I could be wrong.
This part is the best:
quote:If you believe that she is truly ignorant of the law, why the hell did the state of Pennsylvania license her for concealed carry? And people wonder why NJ doesn't honor permits from other states...
“I wish I was more aware of the law,” she said. “And to anyone out there looking to purchase a firearm, know the law. I didn’t even get the chance to understand the laws. I only had it [the gun] a week.”
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Posted on 7/18/14 at 10:40 am to lsuroadie
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She was bringing her gun for a night of partying in Atlantic City... at best.
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lsuroadie: you can't be serious.....you are aren't you?
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Not sure what part of that statement confuses you...
quote:Now I see the problem. You can't read. I never said that last part.
lsuroadie: a working professional mom with NO criminal record decides to go party it up in ATL City packing a piece to wreak havoc?
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