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re: Does Welter prove his haters wrong this season?
Posted on 7/18/14 at 10:06 am to TIGRLEE
Posted on 7/18/14 at 10:06 am to TIGRLEE
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Fact is I took sides with the white qb over the black one so just like in the media, politics ect, people love to point the racism finger at whitey. It's a double standard with race and everybody knows it.. It's ok of you can't/won't admit or acknowledge it, doesn't make it any less true.
You act like you were the only one on Lee's side. Many people here supported him. Yet you somehow got labeled a racist.
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Posted on 7/18/14 at 10:09 am to constant cough
There is such a thing as legitimate expectations and false hopes.
I'm still waiting for someone to give proof or reasons that we should expect Welter to improve.
Of course we want him to get better, but what proof or base of reasoning should we expect him to.
Simply because he is a senior.
That's like saying we expected Francois to start dominating at OLB, or Hatcher, or Barrow, when they were average players their entire careers.
As far as athletes go, you are what you are. Some players develop physically, but you can' coach or teach ball aggressiveness/ "want to" to make a tackle. Either you fearlessly fly to the ball, as if blockers don't exist, or you wait to get sucked up into the line, and tackle the man as he runs past you for a five yard gain.
You can't teach or coach fearlessness.
You either have it, or you don't.
That's not something you gain in an offseason.
I'm still waiting for someone to give proof or reasons that we should expect Welter to improve.
Of course we want him to get better, but what proof or base of reasoning should we expect him to.
Simply because he is a senior.
That's like saying we expected Francois to start dominating at OLB, or Hatcher, or Barrow, when they were average players their entire careers.
As far as athletes go, you are what you are. Some players develop physically, but you can' coach or teach ball aggressiveness/ "want to" to make a tackle. Either you fearlessly fly to the ball, as if blockers don't exist, or you wait to get sucked up into the line, and tackle the man as he runs past you for a five yard gain.
You can't teach or coach fearlessness.
You either have it, or you don't.
That's not something you gain in an offseason.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 10:16 am to idoubleu
All of this talk about Welter being dramatically improved is crazy talk. If he got bigger, he probably got slower. He is a glaring weakness on our defense.
Welter will disappear in the rotation of linebackers hopefully. Beckwith just needs to show the chief more consistency and chief will let him take over. It's a no brainer to me.
Welter will disappear in the rotation of linebackers hopefully. Beckwith just needs to show the chief more consistency and chief will let him take over. It's a no brainer to me.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 10:25 am to monsterballads
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If Jarrett lee was better than Jefferson he would start.
Why does everybody ignore the fact that Mettenberger watched on the sideline as we lost to Bama?
Or do you actually believe that Lee and Jefferson, were better than Mettenberger? And that Mettenberger only became an excellent passer during the offseason?
There is no doubt that Les and crew are famous for playing freshman, and younger players. However, he has also let seniority hold us back in a few instances.
Jefferson/ Lee over Mett.
Not having an accurate passer cost us when we needed it most.
Welter and Barrow over the Group of young guys that are all now juniors.
All of our loses last year came in games when teams ran the ball down our throats.
Ole Miss
Georgia
Bama.
A different QB, and a different set of LB's, and we could have two more rings.
I've already detailed in the Les Miles greatest LSU thread about how close all of our loses have been. That's why you need players that make game hanging plays on the field at all times.
Football smarts does you no good, if you aren't physically capable of making the play.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 10:28 am to Samso
bullshite.
Not from day one like I was.
Obv I was the loudest.
So GTFO
Not from day one like I was.
Obv I was the loudest.
So GTFO
Posted on 7/18/14 at 10:30 am to monsterballads
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If Jarrett lee was better than Jefferson he would start.
One little fact you're leaving out.
We all saw both qbs play.
So a rational opinion was formed.
Good try sport.
This post was edited on 7/18/14 at 10:31 am
Posted on 7/18/14 at 10:33 am to TIGRLEE
So basically to sum things up, Welter is the new Lee/JJ. Looks physically ready, coaches like him, practices well, but disappears when we go up against great opponents.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 10:40 am to TIGRLEE
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We all saw both qbs play.
Are you questioning the coaches?
If Lee was better than Jefferson he wouldn't have been supplanted by him to close out the 2011 season.
quote:
So a rational opinion was formed
A rational opinion has been formed on welter as well. There's was a gigantic drop off in production from 2012 to 2013.
This post was edited on 7/18/14 at 10:43 am
Posted on 7/18/14 at 10:47 am to LuzianaFootball
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So basically to sum things up, Welter is the new Lee/JJ. Looks physically ready, coaches like him, practices well, but disappears when we go up against great opponents.
Bingo.
It's easy to look good in practice, when you know your teammates, and you pretty much know the play sets and schemes. You see them everyday.
It's a different ball game when you don't know the guy across from you, and their one and only purpose is trying to knock your lights out.
P.S.
And QB's aren't even allowed to be hit in practice, which totally removes the true pressure and fear of being whacked by a defender. Which is a drastic difference from what's expected on Saturday.
This is why many teams get caught marrying decent QB's that often fold in any pressure packed situation.
I.E. Romo, Schaub, Stafford, Palmer
All NFL QB's with arm talent, but fold anytime pressure is near.
They go through the entire week looking like all-pros, because there is no fear of being hit. Then on Sunday, when it's all live, they more often then not are the cause of their teams downfall.
This post was edited on 7/18/14 at 10:56 am
Posted on 7/18/14 at 12:31 pm to Dr Von Nostrand
Why did less not even mention Beckwith when he was talking about linebackers yesterday. He talked about Welter, Alexander, Louis, Jones. No Beckwith.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 12:50 pm to monsterballads
quote:Besides the obvious that this entire board is called "the Rant", you do realize that this entire thread is filled with posters (like yourself) doing exactly that, right?
Are you questioning the coaches?
Posted on 7/18/14 at 12:58 pm to Dr Von Nostrand
quote:
Does Welter prove his haters wrong this season?
No.
Last year was the year he proved them wrong. They're just too stupid to know they've been proved wrong.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:02 pm to mmcgrath
You misunderstood. I'm not questioning a decision or non decision. But we did hear during the spring and this summer that Beckwith was competing and may have been working towards the starter in the middle. And when Miles was talking about LB's and didnt' mention him I was wondering what had happened to Beckwith and not being even in the conversation.
So before you make some bullshite generalization about me considering you don't know a damn thing about me why don't you just answer the question if you know something or just keep quiet instead of attacking me. And by the way if I want to question a coaching decision this fall, I will and I don't need your freaking approval to do it.
So before you make some bullshite generalization about me considering you don't know a damn thing about me why don't you just answer the question if you know something or just keep quiet instead of attacking me. And by the way if I want to question a coaching decision this fall, I will and I don't need your freaking approval to do it.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:09 pm to PeteRowe
I don't hate 31 - I just wish he would attack the play and make tackles at the LOS instead of 4 yards downfield. He seems to either be slow in diagnosing which lane to take or easily knocked out of position. My recollection is that the vast majority of his tackles were 4-6 yards downfield from the LOS.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:14 pm to Katy Tiger
Totally agree.
You can't teach aggressiveness.
You either have it, or you don't.
It's not something you can coach.
Matheiu was all of 175 pounds, and played and attacked the LOS like he was 250.
You can't teach aggressiveness.
You either have it, or you don't.
It's not something you can coach.
Matheiu was all of 175 pounds, and played and attacked the LOS like he was 250.
This post was edited on 7/18/14 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:15 pm to idoubleu
RB Terrence Magee said about Welter "him having a year under his belt let him get comfortable with the scheme & it allowed him to play faster, he is going to play a whole heck of a lot faster this year"
The problem with this website is the majority of posters are white & never have ran anything under a 5.0...and ASSume every white player is slow!
The problem with this website is the majority of posters are white & never have ran anything under a 5.0...and ASSume every white player is slow!
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:24 pm to RBTiger
Anyone who attends SEC media day is supposed to positively promote their team.
And lets not think that Welters attendance at Media Day directly translate to him being a starter, or even the best player at his position.
Lets not forget Russell Shepard was supposed represent at LSU at media day, and he was the 5th wideout on the depth chart during his senior season.
And lets not think that Welters attendance at Media Day directly translate to him being a starter, or even the best player at his position.
Lets not forget Russell Shepard was supposed represent at LSU at media day, and he was the 5th wideout on the depth chart during his senior season.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:24 am to idoubleu
I wonder why they have him post spring award for whatever he won?
Angered you I bet.
Angered you I bet.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:46 am to TIGRLEE
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One little fact you're leaving out.
We all saw both qbs play.
So a rational opinion was formed.
Good try sport.
Everyone here is arguing Welter doesn't have the instincts to be a high level player at the position based on what we all saw when he played.
Seriously man, your shtick is getting freaking old
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:51 am to TIGRLEE
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wonder why they have him post spring award for whatever he won?
Angered you I bet.
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Jefferson took home the most prestigious of the many spring honors passed out, the Jim Taylor Award for leadership, effort and performance.
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