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re: War on Women: Honest Gun-Owning Mom Busted In NJ Could Face 3 Years In Prison

Posted on 7/15/14 at 6:23 pm to
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72065 posts
Posted on 7/15/14 at 6:23 pm to
She shouldn't warrant a fine for this. This is just idiotic.
Posted by MSCoastTigerGirl
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
35525 posts
Posted on 7/15/14 at 6:35 pm to
quote:

DO NOT DO THIS IN TX



They warned us about Texas.

Apparently Alabama is screwed up as well. They recognize our permits, but can't have it in the glove compartment, or something like that.

I will always check the laws before I go to another state.

Makes me glad that I live in LA.


And if the gun wouldn't have had a whole 2 bullets, she would have been fine. It's ok to carry if you have a permit from another state, as long as it isn't loaded
Posted by MSCoastTigerGirl
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
35525 posts
Posted on 7/15/14 at 6:41 pm to
Looks like it's up to the officer. Apparently it's the fact that it was loaded, with 2 bullets (lol) is what got her
quote:

Procedures for Investigation of Conduct Involving the Possession or Transportation of Firearms
A. An officer who reasonably suspects that a person is transporting a firearm in violation of New Jersey law should make reasonable inquiries in order to confirm or dispel that suspicion.
B. In a case where circumstances reasonably indicate that the person's possession and transportation of the firearms my be permitted by 18 U.S.C.A. 926A, the officer should make reasonable inquiries in order to determine whether the person's possession is permitted by that federal law.
C. If reasonable inquiries lead an officer to conclude that the person's possession is lawful under either New Jersey law or 18 U.S.C.A. 926A, as described above in Section II, the officer should promptly allow the person to proceed.
D. Whenever an officer has probable cause to believe that a person's possession of a firearm is in violation of New Jersey law and not permitted by 18 U.S.C.A. 926A, as described above in Section II, then the officer should make an arrest.



This post was edited on 7/15/14 at 6:42 pm
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 7/15/14 at 6:43 pm to
Yet we're supposed to excuse police criminality because it's a tough job and people make mistakes

She broke the law and if she took a CC she should have known. I just want equal enforcement against pigs and I want NJ cops to abide under the same law (currently they're allowed to conceal carry)

If I were a A2 supporter in NJ with some frick you money and connections I'd start a push to make it illegal for cops to CC off duty
Posted by ChEgrad
Member since Nov 2012
3264 posts
Posted on 7/15/14 at 7:07 pm to
Isn't there a Republican governor in New Jersey who can just pardon her if she's convicted? Which I don't suspect he has the guts to do.
Posted by Tactical1
Denham Springs
Member since May 2010
27104 posts
Posted on 7/15/14 at 7:10 pm to
A responsible gun owner would have at least taken a few minutes to do a google search.
Posted by geauxturbo
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
4168 posts
Posted on 7/15/14 at 7:19 pm to
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Posted by ChEgrad Isn't there a Republican governor in New Jersey who can just pardon her if she's convicted? Which I don't suspect he has the guts to do.


What I was thinking. Would be the right thing to do.
Posted by MSCoastTigerGirl
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
35525 posts
Posted on 7/15/14 at 7:20 pm to
quote:

A responsible gun owner would have at least taken a few minutes to do a google search.



One would think. But...we are talking about a woman.


Yeah I said it.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
14031 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 12:30 pm to
The prosecutor has postponed the trial in order to, "review his office's position on the matter." You think he started to feel some pressure for giving Ray Rice PTI and attempting to put Allen in jail for 10 years minimum?

LINK
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67482 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 12:54 pm to
quote:

so if I brought cannabis from CO into wyoming and was arrested, would you think that was bogus?
same thing if you ask me.

While I think this lady is getting railroaded, your analogy is quite correct
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
14031 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:04 pm to
Is it? Cannabis is still an illegal substance as far as the federal government is concerned.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34884 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:07 pm to
Yea, I don't think it works for that reasoning.


Does NY still have that large soda ban? I think a more accurate analogy would be getting fined in NY for having a large soda in your car from out of state.

this is all silliness
This post was edited on 9/16/14 at 1:07 pm
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45804 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:15 pm to
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Does NY still have that large soda ban? I think a more accurate analogy would be getting fined in NY for having a large soda in your car from out of state.

this is all silliness


And the Soda is protected under the constitution...
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67482 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:22 pm to
quote:

Is it? Cannabis is still an illegal substance as far as the federal government is concerned.

We're talking about state laws here and while we're at it and you brought it up........how has the Fed exercised their legal right to prosecute the folks in Colorado for toking up? Not the way they should have BUT it is SOP for this Administration NOT to follow the law.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35394 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:33 pm to
quote:

The prosecutor has postponed the trial in order to, "review his office's position on the matter." You think he started to feel some pressure for giving Ray Rice PTI and attempting to put Allen in jail for 10 years minimum?
Pretty much. The fact that he even went out of his way to deny PTI to this woman is pretty bad. I imagine that he will open up the opp to apply for PTI again.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:44 pm to
quote:

“We’re talking about a law-abiding, licensed person who did nothing wrong
except going into another state where it wasn't allowed

What is the issue?
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:51 pm to
quote:

Posted by Kino74 I feel for her but at same time you have to know the law. Know the laws or have a really great attorney


Justice be damned. Right and wrong be damned.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
14031 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:52 pm to
Yes she should of known that a CC Permit didn't apply to each state. However, do you feel that she should go to jail for anytime at all for crossing a state line? I don't
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98745 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:53 pm to
quote:

And no one any where in this process told her that her permit was only valid in the state of issue? Or to check local gun laws before traveling?


They should have. Taught me that in my CCP course.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34884 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 2:03 pm to
quote:

And the Soda is protected under the constitution...


I didn't say it was a perfect example

Just closer than canabis.
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