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re: Would the Pelicans have been better off with Nerlens Noel?
Posted on 7/15/14 at 7:57 am to MrPappagiorgio
Posted on 7/15/14 at 7:57 am to MrPappagiorgio
Indiana.... Granger, George, Hibbert, Stephenson.... They added West to bolster once they were close
San Antonio- Duncan, Ginolbi, Parker, Leonard (drafted by Pacers traded to Spurs on draft night)
Portland- Aldridge, Batum, Lillard, Lopez,
San Antonio- Duncan, Ginolbi, Parker, Leonard (drafted by Pacers traded to Spurs on draft night)
Portland- Aldridge, Batum, Lillard, Lopez,
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Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:01 am to tduecen
I'm not so sure the Pelicans would have drafted Noel if they were keeping the pick. He's basically a duplicate of Davis on defense, but no offensive game.
They probably would have went with someone like Burke.
They probably would have went with someone like Burke.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:04 am to EarthwormJim
People make mistakes there. Noel has offensive game and is a terrific passer.
And Tduccen, Portland didn't draft Lopez.
And Tduccen, Portland didn't draft Lopez.
This post was edited on 7/15/14 at 8:05 am
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:04 am to Jakesonaplane
We'll it would have been Asik, Holliday, Casspi for Noel, 1st round pick (top 10), 1st round (possible top 10)
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:05 am to eyeran
There's also the problem of Davis and Noel playing actual NBA minutes together.
Nice on paper or on my playstation. But Nerlens Noel weighed 206 lbs at the combine.
There's a reason the Pelicans went after Asik. There's a reason Portland went after Lopez, a reason Jordan plays next to Griffin, a reason Pekovic plays next to Love, Randolph/Gasol, Dirk/Chandler. To save their PF from damage. And Davis is much lighter than all of those guys.
The Pelicans have done all they could to save Davis from getting beat up by much stronger PF/Cs, and its still taken a toll on him. The idea that Noel, lighter and more frail than Davis, would be the solution is not very realistic, imo.
Nice on paper or on my playstation. But Nerlens Noel weighed 206 lbs at the combine.
There's a reason the Pelicans went after Asik. There's a reason Portland went after Lopez, a reason Jordan plays next to Griffin, a reason Pekovic plays next to Love, Randolph/Gasol, Dirk/Chandler. To save their PF from damage. And Davis is much lighter than all of those guys.
The Pelicans have done all they could to save Davis from getting beat up by much stronger PF/Cs, and its still taken a toll on him. The idea that Noel, lighter and more frail than Davis, would be the solution is not very realistic, imo.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:06 am to tduecen
Potential gets you fired.
You have what some believe to be the third best player in the NBA for next season.
Why get a bunch of unknown 20-year-olds to surround him with?
Why not get a bunch of proven commodity 24-year-olds?
You have what some believe to be the third best player in the NBA for next season.
Why get a bunch of unknown 20-year-olds to surround him with?
Why not get a bunch of proven commodity 24-year-olds?
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:08 am to tduecen
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With Gordon, Holiday, Evans... Davis would still get his Max deal.
because of bird's rights
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:09 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Pelicans rights
because of bird's rights
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:10 am to tduecen
Let's see him defend the post against actual NBA players before we go overboard here.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:11 am to SlowFlowPro
No, I know he would still get his max deal, I was asking, wouldn't that wreck the cap just as much as having him on a max deal and then 2 players on rookie deals while trying to find pieces to compliment them?
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:11 am to tduecen
Oh great in a summer league game he dominated.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:11 am to eyeran
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There's also the problem of Davis and Noel playing actual NBA minutes together.
Nice on paper or on my playstation. But Nerlens Noel weighed 206 lbs at the combine.
i was going to get into this but passed
it's true, though. we already have a better version of noel. having both is redundant and would be a mess on offense
defensively we'd have no rim protector or anchor
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:13 am to tduecen
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Indiana.... Granger, George, Hibbert, Stephenson.... They added West to bolster once they were close
And now one of those players is gone and the other has a foot out the door.
quote:
San Antonio- Duncan, Ginolbi, Parker, Leonard (drafted by Pacers traded to Spurs on draft night)
San Antonio is their own exception to the rule
quote:
Portland- Aldridge, Batum, Lillard, Lopez,
The Bulls drafted Aldrige. Houston drafted Batum. Pheonix drafted Lopez
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:14 am to tduecen
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Indiana.... Granger, George, Hibbert, Stephenson.... They added West to bolster once they were close
Granger isnt part of their championship core going forward, and Lance was a mid-second round pick... not very often teams hit that well on a 2nd. West was added through FA(kinda like what Dell is doing)
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San Antonio- Duncan, Ginolbi, Parker, Leonard (drafted by Pacers traded to Spurs on draft night)
again, Parker and Ginobli were late round finds... says more about SAs front office and development, rather than success early in the draft IMO
quote:
Portland- Aldridge, Batum, Lillard, Lopez,
Portland didnt draft Lopez(they added him in a trade)...
This post was edited on 7/15/14 at 8:15 am
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:14 am to tduecen
you've probably been waiting for a decent quote about Nerlins to make this thread, but no the Pelicans wouldn't be better off if they drafted an offensively unproven shot blocker who blew out his knee months before the draft. they already have a proven dominant defender in the paint in Anthony Davis.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:15 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Yep. Embiid is going to add games onto Noel's career, assuming they both get on the floor together.
i was going to get into this but passed
it's true, though. we already have a better version of noel. having both is redundant and would be a mess on offense
defensively we'd have no rim protector or anchor
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:16 am to tduecen
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wouldn't that wreck the cap just as much as having him on a max deal and then 2 players on rookie deals while trying to find pieces to compliment them?
yes but what if the rookies don't pan out?
we know holiday is a really good player who has great potential. he's a known commodity.
payton or noel may suck or be a role player only
the pelicans can't take advantage of free agency b/c of our market. trades are how we acquire talent.
the NBA universe has gone insane the past few years over 1st round picks and cap space for some reason, ignoring reality all along the way. cap space means shite if you're not in a major FA market. draft picks are good, if you hit and if you either (1) are over the cap or (2) need cap room AND are in a desirable location
again, look at how stagnant the OKC roster has been since they had to give up harden (b/c they couldn't pay him, too). hell they just had a shot at gasol and what happened? he passed to go to a much better FA market. you can chase rings at OKC...and they're still whiffing
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:18 am to MrPappagiorgio
OK I missed on Lopez, as trying to go off top of my head. Granger I consider because he helped put the Pacers in the position they are today.
However, I can go through and look at other playoffs teams and majority of their core is through drafted players. Then they add a few pieces or a superstar to the mix.
quote:which I mentioned but the core as established with young players they had drafted and developed
West was added through FA(kinda like what Dell is doing)
quote:they were still drafted though, where they were drafted is irrelevant because San Antonio has been so good for so long they don't get lottery picks
Parker and Ginobli were late round finds... says more about SAs front office and development, rather than success through the draft IMO
However, I can go through and look at other playoffs teams and majority of their core is through drafted players. Then they add a few pieces or a superstar to the mix.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:20 am to eyeran
Pelicans would not have taken Noel imo.
They had a deal in place with Philly before the draft for Bennett Len and Noel.
Also the Pelicans would not be better off with Noel, we would lack physicality and struggle immensely.
We probably would have kept Grevis Vasquez and Lopez had we made the Holiday deal. They were traded in the S&T for Reke
Pels-Evans, Withey, Pierre Jackson
Blazers-Lopez
Kings-Vasquez
They had a deal in place with Philly before the draft for Bennett Len and Noel.
Also the Pelicans would not be better off with Noel, we would lack physicality and struggle immensely.
We probably would have kept Grevis Vasquez and Lopez had we made the Holiday deal. They were traded in the S&T for Reke
Pels-Evans, Withey, Pierre Jackson
Blazers-Lopez
Kings-Vasquez
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:21 am to tduecen
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they were still drafted though, where they were drafted is irrelevant
to be fair
it's relevant b/c SA "hit" on 2 amazing euros with great value picks before the NBA had figured that out
they were ahead of the curve and road those 2 for a decade. that is a statement of their advanced european scouting but also a statement on how rare those picks are. even SA hasn't hit on similar picks in years and years. think about that
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