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Posted on 7/13/14 at 2:25 am to RollTide1987
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Show me where I said Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman are the most popular superheroes in the world and I'll give it to you.
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No. It really isn't. Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman are the most recognizable comic book superheroes in the world. To have them come together for the first time in a live action Hollywood film is indeed history.
Posted on 7/13/14 at 2:26 am to Freauxzen
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So she doesn't have a fanbase but some people know who she is?
Are you a fan of Osama Bin Laden? Did you ever buy any of his writings or bother to listen to what he had to say? How about Hitler? Did you ever read Mein Kempf from cover to cover? I'm going to assume your answer is no. These guys are obviously not your favorites. You don't really care too much about them and you probably couldn't give a shite less what they have to say. But when you see them on TV, do you or do you not recognize them instantly?
Posted on 7/13/14 at 2:26 am to Freauxzen
recognizable =/= popular
Book'em dano
Book'em dano
Posted on 7/13/14 at 2:27 am to Freauxzen
i think i have it
they are making the "if you see her costume, you know who it is" argument. i'd wager both posters are older than us, and their mind is biased b/c when they were of "comic book" age, there weren't options. hell that's why half of DC is still around (past glory due to limited options)
they fail to understand how much society has changed, namely proliferation of information. kids today are exposed to SO MUCH more information, and their brains are so much more advanced than even those of my generation
kids will recognize dozens, if not hundreds of [insert character] costume, if presented with that stimuli
this "top 5 recognizable" argument really only matters if there are 10 things to discuss (like in the past). when there are 1,000, there is no "top 5" of that argument. it won't matter until you get to 1001
therefore, the term itself is bullshite
they are making the "if you see her costume, you know who it is" argument. i'd wager both posters are older than us, and their mind is biased b/c when they were of "comic book" age, there weren't options. hell that's why half of DC is still around (past glory due to limited options)
they fail to understand how much society has changed, namely proliferation of information. kids today are exposed to SO MUCH more information, and their brains are so much more advanced than even those of my generation
kids will recognize dozens, if not hundreds of [insert character] costume, if presented with that stimuli
this "top 5 recognizable" argument really only matters if there are 10 things to discuss (like in the past). when there are 1,000, there is no "top 5" of that argument. it won't matter until you get to 1001
therefore, the term itself is bullshite
Posted on 7/13/14 at 2:28 am to RollTide1987
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Are you a fan of Osama Bin Laden? Did you ever buy any of his writings or bother to listen to what he had to say? How about Hitler? Did you ever read Mein Kempf from cover to cover? I'm going to assume your answer is no. These guys are obviously not your favorites. You don't really care too much about them and you probably couldn't give a shite less what they have to say. But when you see them on TV, do you or do you not recognize them instantly?
Ok, so people look at Wonder Woman and they know the name "Wonder Woman." How is this important? What does this all mean?
Do they know ANYTHING about the character of Wonder Woman? Why she exists? Who she is? What she can do? Tell me.
Posted on 7/13/14 at 2:28 am to RollTide1987
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I could link you numerous lists that have her among the Top 5/6 greatest superheroes but you won't care. So why bother?
i won't care b/c that isn't what is being discussed
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But not as many as recognize Wonder Woman.
how do you know this?
and with how unpopular she is, i'd imagine she's trailing due to falling out of the social consciousness
kids today are growing up without really even knowing she exists. she'll be "that lady" after this movie drops
Posted on 7/13/14 at 2:29 am to The_Hornet
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recognizable =/= popular
then give me an operational definition of "recognizable" so that we can discuss this intricately
Posted on 7/13/14 at 2:29 am to RollTide1987
My wife is probably the best judge for this. She doesn't know who the frick Jean Gray, Rouge, or Mystique are. The only reason she knows who Black Widow is, is because of Scarlett Johansson. She knows who Wonder Woman is without question. As far as women superheroes she's probably only second to Catwoman.
Posted on 7/13/14 at 2:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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i think i have it
they are making the "if you see her costume, you know who it is" argument. i'd wager both posters are older than us, and their mind is biased b/c when they were of "comic book" age, there weren't options. hell that's why half of DC is still around (past glory due to limited options)
they fail to understand how much society has changed, namely proliferation of information. kids today are exposed to SO MUCH more information, and their brains are so much more advanced than even those of my generation
kids will recognize dozens, if not hundreds of [insert character] costume, if presented with that stimuli
this "top 5 recognizable" argument really only matters if there are 10 things to discuss (like in the past). when there are 1,000, there is no "top 5" of that argument. it won't matter until you get to 1001
therefore, the term itself is bullshite
Has to be. This is the only reason it makes sense. But I then fail to see how:
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History was made today
Is even in the vicinity of reality. So the entire thing falls apart again.
Posted on 7/13/14 at 2:30 am to SlowFlowPro
I'm 27 and I never picked up a Wonder Woman comic. I never watched an episode of the 1970s television show. I never watched a single animated cartoon with her in it. And yet before the influx of Marvel movies I knew who she was and had not a clue that Iron Man, Thor, Hawkeye, etc. even existed.
Posted on 7/13/14 at 2:31 am to abellsujr
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My wife is probably the best judge for this. She doesn't know who the frick Jean Gray, Rouge, or Mystique are. The only reason she knows who Black Widow is, is because of Scarlett Johansson. She knows who Wonder Woman is without question. As far as women superheroes she's probably only second to Catwoman.
But does she actually know WHO Wonder Woman is? What is her real name? What she can do? What are her motivations?
You're a geek like the rest of us right? So she might get this info through osmosis.
Posted on 7/13/14 at 2:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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then give me an operational definition of "recognizable" so that we can discuss this intricately
Webster defines the word recognizable as: "able to be recognized or identified from previous encounters or knowledge."
Posted on 7/13/14 at 2:31 am to Freauxzen
quote:Profit!
So she doesn't have a fanbase but some people know who she is? Congratulations...?
Posted on 7/13/14 at 2:32 am to The_Hornet
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recognizable =/= popular
So explain.
Posted on 7/13/14 at 2:32 am to Freauxzen
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Is even in the vicinity of reality. So the entire thing falls apart again.
well people always over-value the past and past experiences. this is an example of people "holding on" and refusing to admit that things had progressed and new ideas/commodities have taken over
that's why i've made so many "old people" jabs, but it's true. dead people and those with alzheimer's won't recognize WW
Posted on 7/13/14 at 2:33 am to RollTide1987
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I'm 27 and I never picked up a Wonder Woman comic. I never watched an episode of the 1970s television show. I never watched a single animated cartoon with her in it. And yet before the influx of Marvel movies I knew who she was and had not a clue that Iron Man, Thor, Hawkeye, etc. even existed.
Hawkeye I can believe. But Thor and Iron Man? Come on.
Posted on 7/13/14 at 2:34 am to RollTide1987
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Webster defines the word recognizable as: "able to be recognized or identified from previous encounters or knowledge."
Great. So how do we get from:
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able to be recognized
to
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History was made today
Posted on 7/13/14 at 2:34 am to Freauxzen
before thor, i had heard of the existence of a guy named "hawkeye" but i didn't know anything about him
and i never read one iron man, but i knew he was tony stark. and that there were 2 iron man suits (yellow/red and grey/white)
who doesn't know who thor is?
and i never read one iron man, but i knew he was tony stark. and that there were 2 iron man suits (yellow/red and grey/white)
who doesn't know who thor is?
Posted on 7/13/14 at 2:34 am to Freauxzen
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Do they know ANYTHING about the character of Wonder Woman? Why she exists? Who she is? What she can do? Tell me.
I don't know. Do they know where Hitler was born, who his parents were, or why he did the things he did?
It doesn't matter. My argument is about recognition. They see Wonder Woman in her costume and they automatically know that's Wonder Woman.
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