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re: WWII: Would You Choose the Pacific or Europe?
Posted on 7/9/14 at 7:35 am to Sevendust912
Posted on 7/9/14 at 7:35 am to Sevendust912
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No doubt. In my novice opinion, and I may be pointing out the obvious, but I'd rather be in the Pacific than on one of those first waves at Omaha.
Omaha sucked big time...but I don't know if I would have rather done that than the likes of Tarawa...
Posted on 7/9/14 at 7:53 am to Spaceman Spiff
OSS was the forerunner of the CIA.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 7:55 am to Jim Rockford
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OSS was the forerunner of the CIA.
Argh..forgot that...
Posted on 7/9/14 at 7:59 am to Spaceman Spiff
BTW, I put in a request for a Military/History board on the Help Board...ya'll go over and put in a word. ![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/Iconcheers.gif)
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Posted on 7/9/14 at 8:21 am to asurob1
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Brereton, however, did not give up. According to Morris, at approximately 7:15 a.m., after two hours of waiting for MacArthur to order the attack, Brerenton again went to General Sutherland's office with a prepared strike mission. "After a few minutes, the Chief of Staff came out of the general's office [MacArthur's], shut the door quietly behind him, and turned toward Brereton. ‘The general says "No,"' he said. ‘We must not make the first overt act.'"[50] Apparently, MacArthur's state of shock and cataleptic condition hampered him from realizing that the Japanese had already made the first overt act when they attacked Pearl Harbor.
His mental state sounds very similar to Stalin during the first few days of Operation Barbarossa.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 8:23 am to Darth_Vader
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His mental state sounds very similar to Stalin during the first few days of Operation Barbarossa.
This. But refusing to do what should have been done is not good.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 8:28 am to Darth_Vader
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Just don't serve in the 8th Air Force. They suffered a higher casualty rate than any unit during WWII
I was thinking of the density of the air and the extra maneuverability in cooler air as compared to hotter air, High Density Altitude (DA). High DA reduces your payload and ultimately can determine if you are able to pull out of a maneuver without taking tree limbs with you on you skids as you pull out
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Posted on 7/9/14 at 8:28 am to undecided
Europe. There was a degree of respect.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 8:31 am to Spaceman Spiff
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As a kid, I was really into the air war aspect of it (due to my Grandfather's experiences) and could tell you everything about almost every plane used. I also built models and as you said, life happened. I got back into and started building again - and now I do it with my son who absolutely loves it. Now he is becoming a plane nut.
This is very similar to my experience. My interest in military history was first sparked before I even started 1st grade by finding my late grandfather's uniform and artifacts from WWII (he was a tanker in the 4th Armored Div fighting in France & Germany and inspired me to follow in his footsteps when I enlisted). First this first spark I've spent over 30 years reading countless books and watching anything of value on the subject of military history ranging from ancient times until post-Vietnam, my favorite subject of study though is World War I. Now I've got a 12 year old son and he's every bit as interested in history as I am.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 8:39 am to Mulat
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I was thinking of the density of the air and the extra maneuverability in cooler air as compared to hotter air, High Density Altitude (DA). High DA reduces your payload and ultimately can determine if you are able to pull out of a maneuver without taking tree limbs with you on you skids as you pull out
Well I'll say this, I bet it was not much fun in opening months of the war before the advent of the "Thach Weave" when our pilots in the Pacific were first getting a taste of the A6M Zero.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 8:53 am to Darth_Vader
My dad hunted with a guy that served in Germany, and he told us a story several times. He and his men were going up the stairs of a farm house in the country when he heard an audible click on the next flight up. He looked up, and a German soldier had him dead to rights, but his Luger had jammed. He swung his rifle up and smoked the guy.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 8:53 am to Darth_Vader
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This is very similar to my experience. My interest in military history was first sparked before I even started 1st grade by finding my late grandfather's uniform and artifacts from WWII (he was a tanker in the 4th Armored Div fighting in France & Germany and inspired me to follow in his footsteps when I enlisted). First this first spark I've spent over 30 years reading countless books and watching anything of value on the subject of military history ranging from ancient times until post-Vietnam, my favorite subject of study though is World War I. Now I've got a 12 year old son and he's every bit as interested in history as I am.
Your Grandfather crewed in a Sherman? Some brave souls facing the likes of the Tiger.
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I have always loved reading/watching anything military/history related, and got back into modeling after a rough patch. It turned out to be a great help. I don't have a lot of time to build due to two young children - but I am now building an F-16C with my son. Being five, he is really into airplanes - heck, our last duty station was NAS Pax River and our on-base housing was near one of the runways...that boy can tell you every plane in the Navy's inventory by sight!
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Posted on 7/9/14 at 8:53 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 7/9/14 at 8:55 am to jdd48
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My dad hunted with a guy that served in Germany, and he told us a story several times. He and his men were going up the stairs of a farm house in the country when he heard an audible click on the next flight up. He looked up, and a German soldier had him dead to rights, but his Luger had jammed. He swung his rifle up and smoked the guy.
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Posted on 7/9/14 at 8:55 am to Darth_Vader
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Well I'll say this, I bet it was not much fun in opening months of the war before the advent of the "Thach Weave" when our pilots in the Pacific were first getting a taste of the A6M Zero.
Those Wildcats had a hell of time at first!
Posted on 7/9/14 at 8:57 am to jdd48
My grandfather told me one story from the war. His regiment had been trying to cross some river for a couple of weeks but kind find a place where the tanks could ford. They sent his squad across on rubber boats to try to capture some German prisoners for Intel. They went across on rubber boats but we're ambushed half way across the river. His boat sank and he was sure he was going to drown but his feet touched the bottom and he realized it was only a few feet deep. They gave up on getting prisoners and went back and told the higher ups that they could cross right there.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 9:03 am to GeauxxxTigers23
Now that would make for a really bad day...damn!
Posted on 7/9/14 at 9:04 am to shutterspeed
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I don't think you'll find anyone who says the Pacific.
Why not? Sun, sand and you knew your enemy. No infiltrators.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 9:09 am to Spaceman Spiff
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Your Grandfather crewed in a Sherman? Some brave souls facing the likes of the Tiger.
That he did. I wish I knew more about what all he did over there but he passed away a few years before I was born.
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I have always loved reading/watching anything military/history related, and got back into modeling after a rough patch. It turned out to be a great help. I don't have a lot of time to build due to two young children - but I am now building an F-16C with my son. Being five, he is really into airplanes - heck, our last duty station was NAS Pax River and our on-base housing was near one of the runways...that boy can tell you every plane in the Navy's inventory by sight!
I've built models since I was a kid and I've taught my son to do it now. He is currently working on a B-17 and recently finished a Huey "Hog" gunship. One thing I use to do when he was little was I'd go to the hobby shop and find a cheap kit and build it to let him have as a toy. He's 12 now and actually still have a few of them on a shelf in his room. But I'm also like you in that I have little time now to sit and work on a model. I've got a TBF Avenger on my model desk that's been there for close to a year. I need to go by the hobby shop and get some paints and get back to working on it.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 9:13 am to Spaceman Spiff
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Those Wildcats had a hell of time at first!
Yeah they could take a hellvalot more damage than the Zero but the Zero was vastly more maneuverable than the Hallcat. In the opening weeks of the war they'd try to dogfight the Zero's and would just hammered. Then they figured out the best move was to attack them head on. They'd take damage but being that their Hellcat could absorb more damage they at least had a chance of shooting down the Zero, which did improve the situation. But once they started using the Thatch Weave, it was a game changer.
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